Wandering Off Topic

[Alice Purjorick]

  ... indeed and, "Manners maketh man"

I don't believe that particular proverb was literal. I much prefer "fight fire with fire".

[stephen25000]

IMO Their statement that ''neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest'' should be enough to tell you that abduction is what SY believe.   What they don't know (as far as we know)  is if Madeleine was alive or dead when she was taken, or what happened to her after she disappeared.

Only sceptics and conspiracy theorists have managed to convince themselves that the real meaning of the above SY statement  is... 'The McCanns are prime suspects.

I didn't have you down as one of those people G.


Must go out now.

Just as belief by some members of SY.

We do not know if she was taken from the apartment.

Clearly SY are not investigating the Mccanns.

After all, they were handed one remit.

[G-Unit]

IMO Their statement that ''neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest'' should be enough to tell you that abduction is what SY believe.   What they don't know (as far as we know)  is if Madeleine was alive or dead when she was taken, or what happened to her after she disappeared.

Only sceptics and conspiracy theorists have managed to convince themselves that the real meaning of the above SY statement  is... 'The McCanns are prime suspects.

I didn't have you down as one of those people G.


Must go out now.

The statement above is completely consistent with their remit. Clearly neither the parents or their friends are suspected of abducting Madeleine. I'm asking why they believe in abduction, not whether they believe in it.

[Angelo222]

The statement above is completely consistent with their remit. Clearly neither the parents or their friends are suspected of abducting Madeleine. I'm asking why they believe in abduction, not whether they believe in it.

There isn't a scrap of independently verifiable evidence which any reputable police force could rely on to support the abduction by a stranger claim which renders SY's insular investigation so questionable given the previous interference in the case by British officials.  A widened investigation would be something worth pursuing in order to look at the behaviour of those individuals close to the Madeleine campaign who were directly involved in the employment and instruction of crooked PI's.  The evidence of a conspiracy is there for all to see but SY remain totally blinkered.

[barrier]

Clutching at straws IMO.

Anyone who believes SY are not completely satisfied that neither the McCanns nor their friends are complicit in Madeleine's disappearance is allowing their wishful thinking to get the better of them IMO.

Unless you are a conspiracy theorist - the fact that the McCanns are regularly updated by SY on their activities should tell you something.

AIMHO

A regular update of we haven't a clue tells us nothing.

[Eleanor]

A regular update of we haven't a clue tells us nothing.

I don't think it is meant to.  It wasn't your child who disappeared.

[Angelo222]

A regular update of we haven't a clue tells us nothing.

It tells me they are no nearer to finding out what happened to Maddie than Amaral was ten years ago.  At least Amaral has put forward various scenarios for debate unlike SY who appear to be hamstrung or have tunnel vision.

[barrier]

Unless you care to think so.

I think the image portrays a working dog with the handler taking the necessary steps to allow it to function and carry out its job properly in a hot climate.

I thought it rather summed up your faux outrage at highly skilled professionals doing their job.  "...  on their hands and knees in the hot sun landscaping the Portuguese countryside"

Dogs and people work in all sorts of enviroments, don't you know?

One wishes you had as much concern for finding a missing girl as you have for police welfare issues and the British taxpayer for whom you purport to speak.

Cool of the morning or into the evening would be better for the dogs and police one would have thought.,I have no emotional attachment to the girl not knowing her,as a fully funded member of the uk tax paying community I reserve the right to criticise within certain parameters the actions of any public funded body as I see fit.Its plainly obvious that at the moment the OG arm of SY do not know the whereabouts of the girl,they can't even tell you if she is dead or alive,£11+millions buys you that!

[barrier]

I don't think it is meant to.  It wasn't your child who disappeared.

Its a criminal investigation just what can be told without compromising that investigation? little or nothing.

[Brietta]

Cool of the morning or into the evening would be better for the dogs and police one would have thought.,I have no emotional attachment to the girl not knowing her,as a fully funded member of the uk tax paying community I reserve the right to criticise within certain parameters the actions of any public funded body as I see fit.Its plainly obvious that at the moment the OG arm of SY do not know the whereabouts of the girl,they can't even tell you if she is dead or alive,£11+millions buys you that!

"Its plainly obvious that at the moment the OG arm of SY do not know the whereabouts of the girl,they can't even tell you if she is dead or alive,£11+millions buys you that!"
Is entirely - In Your Opinion - unless you are able to affirm you have been taken into police confidence about the investigation into Madeleine McCann's case. Are you able to do that?

Of course you cannot.

Apart from your breach of forum protocol the thing which perplexes me is your declared antipathy as a taxpayer, to law and order.  As a taxpayer I don't appreciate the thought of living in a country where internet kangaroo courts hold sway and the rights of citizens are ignored.
Operation Grange was set up to review the case of a British child missing abroad.
Enough evidence was found to rule her parents out of the equation thus leaving abduction as the prime theory and to merit reopening the investigation.

Therefore Operation Grange is lawfully constituted with the permission of the Portuguese authorities to investigate a crime against a British child abroad.

What is it about that sequence of events you feel the need to rail about?

[ShiningInLuz]

"Its plainly obvious that at the moment the OG arm of SY do not know the whereabouts of the girl,they can't even tell you if she is dead or alive,£11+millions buys you that!"
Is entirely - In Your Opinion - unless you are able to affirm you have been taken into police confidence about the investigation into Madeleine McCann's case. Are you able to do that?

Of course you cannot.

Apart from your breach of forum protocol the thing which perplexes me is your declared antipathy as a taxpayer, to law and order.  As a taxpayer I don't appreciate the thought of living in a country where internet kangaroo courts hold sway and the rights of citizens are ignored.
Operation Grange was set up to review the case of a British child missing abroad.
Enough evidence was found to rule her parents out of the equation thus leaving abduction as the prime theory and to merit reopening the investigation.

Therefore Operation Grange is lawfully constituted with the permission of the Portuguese authorities to investigate a crime against a British child abroad.

What is it about that sequence of events you feel the need to rail about?

Cite for the piece I have bolded?  I would be most interested, because that part has passed me by totally.

It would also mean Sky's 10 anniversary special got its major point wrong, so this is not insignificant.

[Brietta]

It tells me they are no nearer to finding out what happened to Maddie than Amaral was ten years ago.  At least Amaral has put forward various scenarios for debate unlike SY who appear to be hamstrung or have tunnel vision.

Police silence is easily explained, Angelo.  Kate and Gerry McCann appealed to the press for restraint and the following was released by Scotland Yard ...

Quote:
This came the day after the Metropolitan police assistant commissioner, Mark Rowley, sent a letter to editors appealing for restraint because of the potential for the Portuguese to halt the investigation.

Rowley explained that the British police were operating under Portuguese law and his opposite number in Portugal, in the policia judiciaria, did not intend – as had been the Met's practice – to brief the media on the search.

He said that the Portuguese police chief had been clear "that if we provide any briefings or information on the work they are undertaking on our behalf, or if reporters cause any disruption to their work in Portugal, activity will cease".

It would mean that Scotland Yard detectives would be unable to excavate sites around the resort of Praia da Luz where the then three-year-old Madeleine went missing on 3 May 2007.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/may/09/madeleinemccann-national-newspapers


As far as Amaral's input to the case is concerned,he apparently made such an impression on his bosses that they sacked him from it in September 2007.

[Alice Purjorick]

"Its plainly obvious that at the moment the OG arm of SY do not know the whereabouts of the girl,they can't even tell you if she is dead or alive,£11+millions buys you that!"
Is entirely - In Your Opinion - unless you are able to affirm you have been taken into police confidence about the investigation into Madeleine McCann's case. Are you able to do that?

Of course you cannot.

Apart from your breach of forum protocol the thing which perplexes me is your declared antipathy as a taxpayer, to law and order.  As a taxpayer I don't appreciate the thought of living in a country where internet kangaroo courts hold sway and the rights of citizens are ignored.
Operation Grange was set up to review the case of a British child missing abroad.
Enough evidence was found to rule her parents out of the equation thus leaving abduction as the prime theory and to merit reopening the investigation.

Therefore Operation Grange is lawfully constituted with the permission of the Portuguese authorities to investigate a crime against a British child abroad.

What is it about that sequence of events you feel the need to rail about?

The emboldened piece is pushing it a bit.
The Met have absolutley no authority in Portugal.

[Brietta]

The emboldened piece is pushing it a bit.
The Met have absolutley no authority in Portugal.

Have it your own way ... I'm of the opinion the Portuguese might be slightly miffed to have their townships dug up by foreigners without as much as a say so ... but obviously you must have your finger on the pulse and know better.

[Brietta]

Cite for the piece I have bolded?  I would be most interested, because that part has passed me by totally.

It would also mean Sky's 10 anniversary special got its major point wrong, so this is not insignificant.

Please remind me of the bit where it says who the prime suspects are considered to be ... that is the part which confounds me.