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Offline misty

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« Reply #2880 on: May 15, 2018, 12:04:56 AM »

Offline misty

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« Reply #2881 on: May 29, 2018, 11:28:05 PM »
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/chamar-palhaco-a-um-policia-nao-e-crime?ref=HP_Grupo1

 Calling a police officer "clown" is not a crime

 Judges considered language as "ordinary," but insufficient to establish a crime of injury. By Carlos Rodrigues Lima / SÁBADO | 19:12

 First, it was a discussion with the taxi driver who transported her to the PSP squad in Massamá on June 1 last year. Arriving there, Monica, 33, with the help of the police, eventually solved the problem of the taxi fare, and immediately told the agents that she intended to file a complaint for domestic violence. Inside the squadron, he gave the agents the expression: "you are a clown, you are not worth anything, f..k you." As a complainant, Monica became the defendant and was convicted at first instance of two crimes of wrongdoing, but the Lisbon Court of Appeal acquitted her, considering that the woman's words were nothing more than a mere verbalization of crude, ordinary language. incapable of undermining the character, good name or reputation of visas. " In a ruling released this month, judges Magarida Bacelar and Agostinho Torres stated that "while noting that the language used was strong and excessive," the words "were uttered in an exaggerated criticism". The latter may have exceeded certain limits, but they "are not likely to affect the honor and consideration of the persons to whom they were directed in such a way as to merit the tutelage of punishment." That is, one thing is the person, another is the behavior: "Indeed, the content of the expressions in question instills the idea that the people of the offended were criticized for behavior but not expressly" "But even if one can consider that it is a criticism directed directly at the actions of offended people, it is clear that it is in the area of ​​their strictly professional behavior and does not reach the core of the personal dignity of the offended," said the judges. to set aside a fine of EUR 500 to which Monica had been subject in the Court of Sintra. The decision of the Court of Appeal of Lisbon ended up against one of the points of the appeal of the defendant, who argued that the expressions used would have to be framed in a context of exaltation, after the discussion with the taxi driver, and the feeling for that the PSP's agents were being less diligent in their domestic violence complaint.

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Does this judgement put "Tweedledee & Tweedledum" into perspective?


Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #2882 on: May 30, 2018, 05:39:53 AM »
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/chamar-palhaco-a-um-policia-nao-e-crime?ref=HP_Grupo1

 Calling a police officer "clown" is not a crime

 Judges considered language as "ordinary," but insufficient to establish a crime of injury. By Carlos Rodrigues Lima / SÁBADO | 19:12

 First, it was a discussion with the taxi driver who transported her to the PSP squad in Massamá on June 1 last year. Arriving there, Monica, 33, with the help of the police, eventually solved the problem of the taxi fare, and immediately told the agents that she intended to file a complaint for domestic violence. Inside the squadron, he gave the agents the expression: "you are a clown, you are not worth anything, f..k you." As a complainant, Monica became the defendant and was convicted at first instance of two crimes of wrongdoing, but the Lisbon Court of Appeal acquitted her, considering that the woman's words were nothing more than a mere verbalization of crude, ordinary language. incapable of undermining the character, good name or reputation of visas. " In a ruling released this month, judges Magarida Bacelar and Agostinho Torres stated that "while noting that the language used was strong and excessive," the words "were uttered in an exaggerated criticism". The latter may have exceeded certain limits, but they "are not likely to affect the honor and consideration of the persons to whom they were directed in such a way as to merit the tutelage of punishment." That is, one thing is the person, another is the behavior: "Indeed, the content of the expressions in question instills the idea that the people of the offended were criticized for behavior but not expressly" "But even if one can consider that it is a criticism directed directly at the actions of offended people, it is clear that it is in the area of ​​their strictly professional behavior and does not reach the core of the personal dignity of the offended," said the judges. to set aside a fine of EUR 500 to which Monica had been subject in the Court of Sintra. The decision of the Court of Appeal of Lisbon ended up against one of the points of the appeal of the defendant, who argued that the expressions used would have to be framed in a context of exaltation, after the discussion with the taxi driver, and the feeling for that the PSP's agents were being less diligent in their domestic violence complaint.

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Does this judgement put "Tweedledee & Tweedledum" into perspective?

No, it has nothing to do with it.
Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #2883 on: May 30, 2018, 07:46:39 AM »
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/chamar-palhaco-a-um-policia-nao-e-crime?ref=HP_Grupo1

 Calling a police officer "clown" is not a crime

 Judges considered language as "ordinary," but insufficient to establish a crime of injury. By Carlos Rodrigues Lima / SÁBADO | 19:12

 First, it was a discussion with the taxi driver who transported her to the PSP squad in Massamá on June 1 last year. Arriving there, Monica, 33, with the help of the police, eventually solved the problem of the taxi fare, and immediately told the agents that she intended to file a complaint for domestic violence. Inside the squadron, he gave the agents the expression: "you are a clown, you are not worth anything, f..k you." As a complainant, Monica became the defendant and was convicted at first instance of two crimes of wrongdoing, but the Lisbon Court of Appeal acquitted her, considering that the woman's words were nothing more than a mere verbalization of crude, ordinary language. incapable of undermining the character, good name or reputation of visas. " In a ruling released this month, judges Magarida Bacelar and Agostinho Torres stated that "while noting that the language used was strong and excessive," the words "were uttered in an exaggerated criticism". The latter may have exceeded certain limits, but they "are not likely to affect the honor and consideration of the persons to whom they were directed in such a way as to merit the tutelage of punishment." That is, one thing is the person, another is the behavior: "Indeed, the content of the expressions in question instills the idea that the people of the offended were criticized for behavior but not expressly" "But even if one can consider that it is a criticism directed directly at the actions of offended people, it is clear that it is in the area of ​​their strictly professional behavior and does not reach the core of the personal dignity of the offended," said the judges. to set aside a fine of EUR 500 to which Monica had been subject in the Court of Sintra. The decision of the Court of Appeal of Lisbon ended up against one of the points of the appeal of the defendant, who argued that the expressions used would have to be framed in a context of exaltation, after the discussion with the taxi driver, and the feeling for that the PSP's agents were being less diligent in their domestic violence complaint.

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Does this judgement put "Tweedledee & Tweedledum" into perspective?

It was extremely disrespectful of two police officers who after all were only doing their job in what must have been a scene of confusion and distress.  Kate McCann was wrong to put those comments in her book, imo it reveals her to be petty and judgemental and someone who likes to blame others for her own shortcomings. She was a guest in a foreign country where the police service is very different to that in England. She might have felt intimidated by the armed officers or even frustrated that they weren't behaving in a manner which she might have expected. Either way, she was not qualified to criticise their actions, they were not to know that the case would turn into the mammoth worldwide search for a missing child that it has become. They were tasked with searching for a child who had strayed, nothing more and nothing less.
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De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Online Davel

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« Reply #2884 on: May 30, 2018, 07:52:31 AM »
It was extremely disrespectful of two police officers who after all were only doing their job in what must have been a scene of confusion and distress.  Kate McCann was wrong to put those comments in her book, imo it reveals her to be petty and judgemental and someone who like to blame others for her own shortcomings.

But it's ok for amaral in his book to accuse the McCabe of being liars and criminals
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED ALL POSTS ARE MY OPINION

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #2885 on: May 30, 2018, 08:03:48 AM »
But it's ok for amaral in his book to accuse the McCabe of being liars and criminals

Can you cite from his book where he used those words or is this simply your attempt to justify Kate McCanns comments?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Online Davel

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« Reply #2886 on: May 30, 2018, 08:06:00 AM »
Can you cite from his book where he used those words or is this simply your attempt to justify Kate McCanns comments?

He claimed they had lied in covering up Maddie's death which would be a criminal offence
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Offline Erngath

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« Reply #2887 on: May 30, 2018, 08:11:35 AM »
But it's ok for amaral in his book to accuse the McCabe of being liars and criminals

Of course writing a book in which he "suggested" the McCanns found their child dead, hid her body and claimed  abduction pales into insignifcance compared to be called Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
Really!
Amaral, making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Online Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #2888 on: May 30, 2018, 08:33:36 AM »
Can you cite from his book where he used those words or is this simply your attempt to justify Kate McCanns comments?
What is the name of his book?   The entire tome is written to convince the reader that the McCanns hid their child’s body.  So, it’s perfectly acceptable to you to write a book, ever page of which adds up to a character assassination, but a passing three word comment about two unnamed cops is beyond the pale as far as you’re concerned.  A telling example of your bias, borne out of your visceral dislike of the missing child’ mother, IMO.

Online Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #2889 on: May 30, 2018, 08:36:34 AM »
It was extremely disrespectful of two police officers who after all were only doing their job in what must have been a scene of confusion and distress.  Kate McCann was wrong to put those comments in her book, imo it reveals her to be petty and judgemental and someone who likes to blame others for her own shortcomings. She was a guest in a foreign country where the police service is very different to that in England. She might have felt intimidated by the armed officers or even frustrated that they weren't behaving in a manner which she might have expected. Either way, she was not qualified to criticise their actions, they were not to know that the case would turn into the mammoth worldwide search for a missing child that it has become. They were tasked with searching for a child who had strayed, nothing more and nothing less.
What qualifications do you need before you’re allowed to criticize the police in another country? 

Online Davel

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« Reply #2890 on: May 30, 2018, 08:43:32 AM »
It was extremely disrespectful of two police officers who after all were only doing their job in what must have been a scene of confusion and distress.  Kate McCann was wrong to put those comments in her book, imo it reveals her to be petty and judgemental and someone who likes to blame others for her own shortcomings. She was a guest in a foreign country where the police service is very different to that in England. She might have felt intimidated by the armed officers or even frustrated that they weren't behaving in a manner which she might have expected. Either way, she was not qualified to criticise their actions, they were not to know that the case would turn into the mammoth worldwide search for a missing child that it has become. They were tasked with searching for a child who had strayed, nothing more and nothing less.

But of course your continual criticism of SY is acceptable
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED ALL POSTS ARE MY OPINION

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #2891 on: May 30, 2018, 08:48:14 AM »
It was extremely disrespectful of two police officers who after all were only doing their job in what must have been a scene of confusion and distress.  Kate McCann was wrong to put those comments in her book, imo it reveals her to be petty and judgemental and someone who likes to blame others for her own shortcomings. She was a guest in a foreign country where the police service is very different to that in England. She might have felt intimidated by the armed officers or even frustrated that they weren't behaving in a manner which she might have expected. Either way, she was not qualified to criticise their actions, they were not to know that the case would turn into the mammoth worldwide search for a missing child that it has become. They were tasked with searching for a child who had strayed, nothing more and nothing less.

In my opinion Kate McCann's decision to include that comment in her book says far more about her than it does about the alleged incompetence of the GNR.

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Believe no-one
Confirm everything

Online Davel

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« Reply #2892 on: May 30, 2018, 08:49:59 AM »
In my opinion Kate McCann's decision to include that comment in her book says far more about her than it does about the alleged incompetence of the GNR.

But that's just your opinion...others think there is nothing wrong with it.....others think amaral book is a absolute disgrace
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED ALL POSTS ARE MY OPINION

Offline Erngath

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« Reply #2893 on: May 30, 2018, 08:56:12 AM »
In my opinion Kate McCann's decision to include that comment in her book says far more about her than it does about the alleged incompetence of the GNR.


But your opinion of Kate McCann is extremely poor in all aspects of her character, IMO .
Not everyone shares your low opinion of her character. IMO

Amaral, making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Offline Erngath

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« Reply #2894 on: May 30, 2018, 08:57:09 AM »
But that's just your opinion...others think there is nothing wrong with it.....others think amaral book is a absolute disgrace

Now that is an opinion I agree with!
Amaral, making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.