Wandering Off Topic

[Miss Taken Identity]

Disgraced because of his conviction
Disgraced because of his remarks about the British police
Disgraced because of his misunderstanding of the evidence, particularly the DNA and dog alerts
Disgraced because he cashed in on a missing child for his own personal gain.
Disgraced for stating as fact that Madeleine is dead and her parents covered it up.

Take your pick.

AND to think the McCanns are to be afforded our love and support even though no one knows if they were involved with their daughters disappearance!  so we must love the parents:

Support them because of the lack of evidence
Support them because of their remarks and accusations about the Portuguese police
Support them because of their misunderstanding of door widths, ligthting, distance, views to children in apartment, particularly the bit where they caim they could see the apartments when all they could see was the top part,not the entrance where the children slept.
Support them  for stating as fact that Madeleine was abducted by paedophile gang via a open window
Support them for their various version of accounts of what happened. Reading their ROGS is IMO excruciatingly painful.
Support them for NOT taking part in a reconstruction
Support them for claiming they left the children because it 'felt safe'

Pick away... there is much much more for this pile!

[G-Unit]

Absolutely.
We are told he was a very small cog in the wheel and when he published his book he had been convicted of a criminal offence in relation to the cover up of the torture of the mother of another missing child.

The case was archived and among the conclusions was:
"  ... To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media – before the police – was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous."
http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/the-pjs-final-report-the-archiving-dispatch/#adi4

What on earth gave Amaral the right to gainsay that and to publish a book which in my opinion could well be renamed The truth of "The LIE" to deliberately drag the names of two innocent people through the mire ... in my opinion partly because he had taken the hump with his employers.

I thought he was convicted a while after his book was published?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5840.0

[jassi]

I agree in part.

He might have disappeared into public oblivion in in relation to this case, but his name would still have been in the spotlight, at least in Portugal, concerning the Cipriano one.

His choice to write a book, star as the lead police officer in a documentary  numerous media interviews, including on popular matinée chat shows, and a column in CdM with unproven "conclusions" involving criminal activity... placed him in the media spotlight.

He could have made other choices.

Without this case the majority of us would never have heard of Cipriano.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think you have to look at the reasons why Amaral might be a target and not any other PJ inspector who worked on Madeleine's case.

Oh but, the whole  PJ were behind Amaral in the theories he was discussing. They all suspected the parents of 'something'. shocked at least about the children being left alone every night. And to be fair the slagging of the Portuguese's police and judiciary began on the first few hours of MBM having been declared 'abducted'.

rememeber:  "They are all alone out there looking for Madeleine,"  No police doing anything claim!
then we have tweedle dee, dweedle dum and furking one kerrs.  So anyone who disagrees with the 'Abduction via window as claimed- is an evil troll... heehee

[Lace]

AND to think the McCanns are to be afforded our love and support even though no one knows if they were involved with their daughters disappearance!  so we must love the parents:

Support them because of their lack of evidence to convict them of anything
Support them because of their remarks and accusations about the Portuguese police
Support them because of their misunderstanding of door widths, ligthting, distance, views to children in apartment, particularly the bit where they caim they could see the apartments when all they could see was the top part,not the entrance where the children slept.
Support them  for stating as fact that Madeleine was abducted by paedophile gang via a open window
Support them for their various version of accounts of what happened. Rheading their ROGS is IMO excruciatingly painful.
Support them for NOT taking part in a reconstruction
Support them for claiming they left the children because it 'felt safe' when in fact they planned to leave the children alone before they left the UK IMO so can't possibly make that claim from a holiday brochure.

Pick away... there is much much more for this pile!

Please could you give a cite for 'Madeleine was abducted by a Paedophile gang via a open window'   thanks in advance.

What remarks and accusations about the Portuguese police are you referring to?

[Brietta]

I agree in part.

He might have disappeared into public oblivion in in relation to this case, but his name would still have been in the spotlight, at least in Portugal, concerning the Cipriano one.

His choice to write a book, star as the lead police officer in a documentary  numerous media interviews, including on popular matinée chat shows, and a column in CdM with unproven "conclusions" involving criminal activity... placed him in the media spotlight.

He could have made other choices.

At one time I seem to remember, we are told he had aspirations to be a lawyer?  However in my opinion no other choice could have been as immediately lucrative as the one he chose for himself.

[Lace]

The McCanns did not refuse to attend the reconstruction,  plus the first reconstruction was cancelled by Amaral, because of the many tourists!!   I'm sorry but the place was disrupted already and I don't think a reconstruction during the evening would have caused any more disruption that it already had. 

Can I remind you that there is a lot of accusations about SY on this forum so it would seem that people are not shy of slagging them off.   You have to remember the McCann's had lost a child and was under extreme stress,   

[kizzy]

Disgraced because of his conviction
Disgraced because of his remarks about the British police
Disgraced because of his misunderstanding of the evidence, particularly the DNA and dog alerts
Disgraced because he cashed in on a missing child for his own personal gain.
Disgraced for stating as fact that Madeleine is dead and her parents covered it up.

Take your pick.

Wasn't that a disgrace for the mccanns to employ criminals.

Fransisco Marco, Mracos Aragao, Kevin Halligen - to name but a few.



Not to find maddie - but to dish the dirt on G A. [ from the maddie fund] IMO.

[jassi]

At one time I seem to remember, we are told he had aspirations to be a lawyer?  However in my opinion no other choice could have been as immediately lucrative as the one he chose for himself.

He has some sort of law degree. Was that taken while in the police ?

[Brietta]

AND to think the McCanns are to be afforded our love and support even though no one knows if they were involved with their daughters disappearance!  so we must love the parents:

Support them  because of their lack of evidence to convict them of anything (does not mean innocent)
Support them because of their remarks and accusations about the Portuguese police
Support them  because of their misunderstanding of door widths, ligthting, distance, views to children in apartment,, particularly the bit where they caim they could see the apartments when all they could see was the top part,not the entrance where the children slept.-
Support them bec .ause they  cashed in on their missing daughter (suspected of being 'take by paedophoiles) for  personal gain.PR doesn't come cheap these days.
Support them  for stating as fact that Madeleine was abducted by paedophile gang via a open window
 Support them for their various version of accounts of what happened. reading their ROGS is excruciatingly painful.
Support them for NOT  taking part in a reconstruction
Support them for  claiming  they left the children because it 'felt safe' when in fact they planned to leave the children alone before they left the UK so can't possibly make that claim from a holiday brochure..erm did they,  oh.

Pick away... there is much much more for this pile!

Have you ever read the archiving document?  Because I think if you had you would have seen that your post is way off the mark as far as the Policia Judiciaria ~ José de Magalhães e Menezes the Republic of Portugal's Prosecutor and João Melchior Gomes, the Portuguese Republic's Joint General Prosecutor, are concerned.

I tend to throw my hat into the ring as far as these guys are concerned.
 

[kizzy]

AND to think the McCanns are to be afforded our love and support even though no one knows if they were involved with their daughters disappearance!  so we must love the parents:

Support them because of their lack of evidence to convict them of anything
Support them because of their remarks and accusations about the Portuguese police
Support them because of their misunderstanding of door widths, ligthting, distance, views to children in apartment, particularly the bit where they caim they could see the apartments when all they could see was the top part,not the entrance where the children slept.
Support them  for stating as fact that Madeleine was abducted by paedophile gang via a open window
Support them for their various version of accounts of what happened. Rheading their ROGS is IMO excruciatingly painful.
Support them for NOT taking part in a reconstruction
Support them for claiming they left the children because it 'felt safe' when in fact they planned to leave the children alone before they left the UK IMO so can't possibly make that claim from a holiday brochure.

Pick away... there is much much more for this pile!

 


Excellent post - the list is endless

[Brietta]

I thought he was convicted a while after his book was published?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5840.0

It seems you thought correctly

Snip
Some members continue to hold the mistaken belief that Dr Gonçalo Amaral was convicted of torture in the Joana Cipriano case.  I suggest they read up on the facts outlined below.


Madeleine McCann police chief found guilty of falsifying evidence



By John Bingham
23 May 2009

The former Portuguese police chief who accused the parents of Madeleine McCann of involvement in her disappearance, has been found guilty of falsifying evidence in another missing child case.



Mr Amaral has now been convicted of falsifying evidence to help cover up for three of his officers who were accused of torture.

He stood trial in relation to the investigation into the disappearance of eight-year-old Joana Cipriano from a village near Praia da Luz in 2004.

Her mother, Leonor, and uncle, Joao Cipriano, were convicted of murdering her, although her body was never found.

They later claimed they were tortured into confessing but police said that Mrs Cipriano tried to commit suicide by throwing herself off a staircase.

Three inspectors – Leonel Marques, Pereira Cristovao and Paulo Marques Bom – were cleared of torture after a seven-month trial at Faro Court in the Algarve.

The jury nevertheless found Mr Amaral guilty of falsifying documents to help cover for them.

A fifth officer, Antonio Nunes Cardoso, was found guilty of falsifying documents and was given a two-and-a-half year suspended jail sentence.

Outside court, Mr Amaral said he was not surprised by the verdict and blamed "political pressure".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5370361/Madeleine-McCann-police-chief-found-guilty-of-falsifying-evidence.html
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5840.msg207872#msg207872

[Brietta]

The McCann's did not refuse to attend the reconstruction,  plus the first reconstruction was cancelled by Amaral, because of the many tourists!!   I'm sorry but the place was disrupted already and I don't think a reconstruction during the evening would have caused any more disruption that it already had. 

What remarks and accusations about the Portuguese police are you referring to?   Can I remind you that there is a lot of accusations about SY on this forum so it would seem that people are not shy of slagging them off.   You have to remember the McCann's had lost a child and was under extreme stress,   then of course you can't imagine that can you as you have already convicted them.

The reconstruction was requested by the Rebelo investigation.

In my opinion he was following the protocol and procedures that the initial investigation neglected to do for example:

• digitising statements etc
• carrying out recorded interviews with material witnesses as per the rogatory interviews
• requiring a reconstruction

In my opinion, none of that should have been necessary and makes it obvious that Rebelo was having to start his investigation from scratch many months after the 'golden hours' had long since passed.

[John]

I see the weekend has started early this week. 

Posters are well aware that naughty posts will be removed on sight so no excuses. 

Moderators please take note...NO EXCEPTIONS!

[Angelo222]

Have I missed something?