Wandering Off Topic

[sadie]

I made no comment on whether they were or they weren't actually, In fact I  asked if such signs were in situ in PdL.  So once again you are wrong.

My post:

I don't think Brietta suggested it was the worst or at greater risk than other holiday destinations, just that we now know there were a number of recent break-ins in the immediate area. It is not uncommon for resorts or public places / facilities to issue a warning about thieves currently operating in an area and to be extra vigilant.  Does this appear to have happened at the OC / other parts of PdL?

It was a very safe feeling place when we were there, but we now know that it was not that safe at all.

Guess it is like people; often the smooth talking, jokey pleasant folk are not what they seem.  They take care to hide their true personalities and bad sides behind the veneer of pleasantness  and friendship

[G-Unit]

It was a very safe feeling place when we were there, but we now know that it was not that safe at all.

Guess it is like people; often the smooth talking, jokey pleasant folk are not what they seem.  They take care to hide their true personalities and bad sides behind the veneer of pleasantness  and friendship

I don't know how to judge the safety of a holiday resort, but I wouldn't leave my flat unlocked with three sleeping children in it no matter where it was. Saying it 'felt safe' isn't a reason, it's an excuse and a bad one too. Nowhere is safe enough to do that imo.

[Eleanor]

I don't know how to judge the safety of a holiday resort, but I wouldn't leave my flat unlocked with three sleeping children in it no matter where it was. Saying it 'felt safe' isn't a reason, it's an excuse and a bad one too. Nowhere is safe enough to do that imo.

It used to be.  A sad sign of the times.

[G-Unit]

It used to be.  A sad sign of the times.

It appeared to be safer years ago. Whether it actually was or whether that was an illusion I don't know. In 1971 33 abductions involving children were reported, as opposed to 1,141 in 2013/14. It can't be assumed that there has been a real increase in these crimes though. There have been other changes such as increased awareness, more openness between children and adults, wider reporting and a greater willingness by police to record and investigate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37504781

I remember being with a group of workmates one day in the 1960's when we spotted a man at an upstairs window exposing himself. It never occurred to us to tell the police, we just laughed and pointed and went on our way.
 

[Angelo222]

It is...and lets hope this tragedy isnt being used to point the finger at the mccanns...but of course it is...wth pathfinder comparing her and her friends to the tapas 9

It's not a case of pointing the finger but in any unsolved case involving the unexplained disappearance of a young child and where there has been a history of non cooperation with the investigating authorities I consider it only right that all possible scenarios are fully explored. 

[Brietta]

It's not a case of pointing the finger but in any unsolved case involving the unexplained disappearance of a young child and where there has been a history of non cooperation with the investigating authorities I consider it only right that all possible scenarios are fully explored.

One swallow does not a summer make and one instance of an arguida exercising her right to silence does not a history make ... in my opinion.

[Carana]

It's not a case of pointing the finger but in any unsolved case involving the unexplained disappearance of a young child and where there has been a history of non cooperation with the investigating authorities I consider it only right that all possible scenarios are fully explored.

How do you define "a history" of doing something?

A history of doing (whatever) could be interpreted as being a recurrent event. If that's what you mean, could you provide other instances aside from the one time when, as an arguida, she was apparently advised to exercise her right to not respond?

[Carana]

One swallow does not a summer make and one instance of an arguida exercising her right to silence does not a history make ... in my opinion.

I hadn't seen your post prior to my own. Yours was far more poetic than mine, but the same question.

[Mr Gray]

It's not a case of pointing the finger but in any unsolved case involving the unexplained disappearance of a young child and where there has been a history of non cooperation with the investigating authorities I consider it only right that all possible scenarios are fully explored.

I see SY as the professionals and am sure they have looked at all possibilities

[Angelo222]

How do you define "a history" of doing something?

A history of doing (whatever) could be interpreted as being a recurrent event. If that's what you mean, could you provide other instances aside from the one time when, as an arguida, she was apparently advised to exercise her right to not respond?

Well let's see, one could add employing private detectives contrary to Portuguese law, running off back to the UK at the first opportunity and a failure to take part in a requested reconstruction with their tapas pals.  Have I missed anything?

[Robittybob1]

Well let's see, one could add employing private detectives contrary to Portuguese law, running off back to the UK at the first opportunity and a failure to take part in a requested reconstruction with their tapas pals.  Have I missed anything?

How can Portuguese law stop UK citizens employing PIs in Spain?
Nothing stopped them returning.  No law against that.
They can't do a reconstruction on their own.

[Angelo222]

How can Portuguese law stop UK citizens employing PIs in Spain?
Nothing stopped them returning.  No law against that.
They can't do a reconstruction on their own.

We've covered this before, Portuguese law prohibits the employing of private investigators when an enquiry is live.  Second point, the parents chose to return to the UK rather than cooperate further with the Portuguese police. Third point, had they really been willing to participate in the reconstruction organised by the Portuguese police I have no doubt that the other members of the tapas group would also have agreed to return to Portugal. All imo.

[Carana]

Well let's see, one could add employing private detectives contrary to Portuguese law, running off back to the UK at the first opportunity and a failure to take part in a requested reconstruction with their tapas pals.  Have I missed anything?

According to which articles of the code?

[sadie]

And you lose because you suggested that warning notices are a good idea but had no idea if the Ocean Club displayed such a notice.

And almost certainly they did not post such notices.

Cos if they had it would have been all over the internet now.

Using this fact alone, I would say that with virtually certainty, Ocean Club had NO such notices up.

[G-Unit]

And almost certainly they did not post such notices.

Cos if they had it would have been all over the internet now.

Using this fact alone, I would say that with virtually certainty, Ocean Club had NO such notices up.

IYO