Wandering Off Topic

[John]

I have removed all references to a second child having disappeared since there is nothing to suggest this ocurred.  The second phonecall was made to the police because they had not responded to the first call.

[Robittybob1]

I have removed all references to a second child having disappeared since there is nothing to suggest this occurred.  The second phonecall was made to the police because they had not responded to the first call.

I have feeling this has been the mistake everyone has made, the PJ and the OC and  now the forums.  The very reason this case can't be solved yet there are traces of evidence for it left behind.   
"The second phone call was made to the police because they had not responded to the first call."  That is a guess at best, and obviously incorrect for it takes more than 10 minutes for the Police to respond  They are something like 30 minutes drive away at best  They would have to wait 30 minutes to know that the police hadn't responded. 

[mercury]

As you can see from the red section above, one statement for each of them has vanished.  So potentially Gerrys alibi has vanished too. 

So two very important statements likely providing an alibi for Gerry 'lost' and then Caroline Carpenters statement vanished too.

So three potentially important statements for Gerry gone ... 'lost'


Why have just these three gone missing ?

Nothng has gone missing....all their statements are held by the uk police..and it is just not JUST these three its alot of statements given to the uk police that do not appear in the pj files....there is no portuguese conspiracy here dear

[Robittybob1]

Nothng has gone missing....all their statements are held by the uk police..and it is just not JUST these three its alot of statements given to the uk police that do not appear in the pj files....there is no portuguese conspiracy here dear

Therefore unless we know what these other statements say how come we are not allowed to show what the traces left behind seem to say?   

[mercury]

Therefore unless we know what these other statements say how come we are not allowed to show what the traces left behind seem to say?

Did anyone tell you you couldnt?

I was just answering a conspiratorial post which suggested someone had vanished evidence when theres no evidence for this

Just get your facts and deductions right and you cant go far wrong, start talking about ridiculous theories and you will, nite now

[Robittybob1]

Did anyone tell you you couldnt?

I was just answering a conspiratorial post which suggested someone had vanished evidence when theres no evidence for this

Wasn't that the gist of Sadie's post.  If they are removed from the forum and I can't recall which ones or what they were about, that just about says I can't.  Would you like to see this evidence?

[mercury]

Wasn't that the gist of Sadie's rant.  If they are removed from the forum and I can't recall which ones or what they were about, that just about says I can't.  Would you like to see this evidence?

No it wasnt
Sadie is accusng the pt police
Nothing to do with this forum
So also there is no evidnce for me to wish to see

Bye now i need to sleep unlke you

[G-Unit]

CaC was reinterviewed by UK police.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm
scroll down to where it says page 4399

*snipped*
From 2nd Letter of Request, received by UKCA 4th February 2008.

1. Page 18 Interview Steve CARPENTER, he was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of his statement and a copy of the Detective's
statement evidencing the interview.
2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the
Detective's statement evidencing the interview.

Carolyn Carpenter's statement arrived at the Home Office then. Any evidence that they passed it to the PJ?

[G-Unit]

Processos vol XII page 3164
He phoned receptionist at 22:38:28 and told receptionist to phone police (call to police at 22:41:29).
He phoned receptionist again at 22:51:59 and told receptionist to phone police again (call to police at 22:52:39).

Well spotted!

[Angelo222]

I have feeling this has been the mistake everyone has made, the PJ and the OC and  now the forums.  The very reason this case can't be solved yet there are traces of evidence for it left behind.   
"The second phone call was made to the police because they had not responded to the first call."  That is a guess at best, and obviously incorrect for it takes more than 10 minutes for the Police to respond  They are something like 30 minutes drive away at best  They would have to wait 30 minutes to know that the police hadn't responded.

You really must read the statements of those involved before you criticise those who have.  There was a logical series of events which connect the two phone calls made to police by the OC receptionist.  If anyone has made a mistake and is 'guessing' I suggest it is you.

[misty]

Carolyn Carpenter's statement arrived at the Home Office then. Any evidence that they passed it to the PJ?

498 Home Office letter re: legal assistance 2008.05.28 (Portuguese)
4499 Page 4498 in English
17-Processo Vol 17 Page 4498 to Page 4499

It doesn't confirm that CaC's statement & DVD were in that batch, so I guess you'll claim that as evidence they were withheld.

[Robittybob1]

You really must read the statements of those involved before you criticise those who have.  There was a logical series of events which connect the two phone calls made to police by the OC receptionist.  If anyone has made a mistake and is 'guessing' I suggest it is you.

Well would someone give the forum  a detailed breakdown of those two calls then please.

[G-Unit]

As you can see from the red section above, one statement for each of them has vanished.  So potentially Gerrys alibi has vanished too. 

So two very important statements likely providing an alibi for Gerry 'lost' and then Caroline Carpenters statement vanished too.

So three potentially important statements for Gerry gone ... 'lost'


Why have just these three gone missing ?

In October 2007 the McCann's lawyers CARLOS PINTO DE ABREU and ROGERIO ALVES sent a request to the Ministerio Publico in Portimao. It contains a list of people the McCanns wanted questioned and the questions to be asked.

The Carpenters are on the list and their questions relate to the evening of 3rd May. Balu and Berry are not on the McCann's list, which they surely would have been if Gerry McCann thought they had anything helpful to say.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MCCANNS-WANTED.htm

I can think of one possible reason why we don't see the first statements.

They may have contacted the UK police via the Crimestoppers number; those statements were withheld at the request of the UK.

As to Mrs Carpenter's rogatory; it may simply have mirrored her husband's and as it wasn't requested by the Portuguese it may have been disregarded somewhere along the line.

[Angelo222]

Well would someone give the forum  a detailed breakdown of those two calls then please.

Its all there already, all you have to do is search.

[G-Unit]

498 Home Office letter re: legal assistance 2008.05.28 (Portuguese)
4499 Page 4498 in English
17-Processo Vol 17 Page 4498 to Page 4499

It doesn't confirm that CaC's statement & DVD were in that batch, so I guess you'll claim that as evidence they were withheld.

I think you may be misunderstanding how I reach conclusions. We know Mrs Carpenter made a rogatory statement and we know the statement went to the Home Office. We don't have any evidence that it went to Portugal. That doesn't mean it was withheld, it means we have no evidence that the Portuguese received it. That doesn't mean they didn't, it means we don't know.

We also know that earlier statements were given to UK police by Mr Carpenter, Mr Balu and Mr Berry.

Mr Balu appears to have made more than one previous statement;

I did not ask to see my original statements in order to refresh my memory. I confirm that these statements are correct.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

Mr Berry seems to have made one previous statement;

I was asked whether I wanted to read my original statement in order to refresh my memory and I was granted this authorisation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NEIL_BERRY.htm

Mr Carpenter seems to have made one previous statement;

DCF: Do you agree with me reading out your statement;

SC: Yes, I agree, yes.

DC: Good. Right, this statement was taken by a UK police officer on the 17th May and so the facts should be quite fresh in your memory.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

If the statement was given on 17th May 2007 it seems strange that the police officer thinks the facts should be feash in Mr Carpenter's memory. It couldn't have been 2008, as this is when his present statement is dated; 21st April 2008.

So we have at least three statements with at least one more made by Mr Balu, so at least four previous statements.

The police officer mentions Carpenter's previous statement;

SC: Ah yes, yes and afterwards, humm...with Murat well...I just caught a glimpse of him on TV, it was rather my wife who phoned Philomena afterwards who then suggested that we contact the police support service.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And that is what I did, and afterwards the Hertford police contacted us.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Two days later I think.

DCF: Exactly, you phoned the criminal support number and was transferred to the Operational Squad of the Leicestershire Police Force which is where we are working.

SC: Ah ha.

DCF: And we made a request to the local police to collect your statement and it was in this sequence that your statement arrived.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

So Mr Carpenter's wife phoned Philomena on 15th May [after they saw Murat on TV] and she told them to ring a particular number, then two days later a [one, singular] statement was taken from Mr Carpenter.

I can find no evidence that Mrs Carpenter made a previous statement, can anyone point me to any evidence of that?