Wandering Off Topic

[misty]

Not sure where to post this, so opted for here.
Did anyone watch The Investigator, a 4-part true crime story about the disappearance of Veronica (Carole) Packman?

To anyone who did - were you surprised MWT didn't request cadaver dogs be used at the family home, especially in the garden area where Causley said he burned the body? Given the investigator's  knowledge of the MM case, I was amazed to see forensic geologists employed to search soil for bone fragments without use of the dogs. Does that suggest that the dogs are not perhaps as reliable as we were led to believe? (I doubt cost was an issue)

[ShiningInLuz]

Not sure where to post this, so opted for here.
Did anyone watch The Investigator, a 4-part true crime story about the disappearance of Veronica (Carole) Packman?

To anyone who did - were you surprised MWT didn't request cadaver dogs be used at the family home, especially in the garden area where Causley said he burned the body? Given the investigator's  knowledge of the MM case, I was amazed to see forensic geologists employed to search soil for bone fragments without use of the dogs. Does that suggest that the dogs are not perhaps as reliable as we were led to believe? (I doubt cost was an issue)

Sorry, what is this guy's knowledge of the MBM case?

I had a lot of trouble in stitching this one together, but let me try.  Woman disappears.  House sale fraud what 5 years later?  Impersonator uses woman's credentials in Canada.  Yacht fake death insurance scam involving husband and impersonator.  Husband investigated and admits to murder of wife, but appears to be lying through his teeth re body disposal.

Hopefully, I got that more right than wrong, but can I ask my question again?  What is this guy's knowledge of the MBM case?

[misty]

Sorry, what is this guy's knowledge of the MBM case?

I had a lot of trouble in stitching this one together, but let me try.  Woman disappears.  House sale fraud what 5 years later?  Impersonator uses woman's credentials in Canada.  Yacht fake death insurance scam involving husband and impersonator.  Husband investigated and admits to murder of wife, but appears to be lying through his teeth re body disposal.

Hopefully, I got that more right than wrong, but can I ask my question again?  What is this guy's knowledge of the MBM case?

A pretty good brief summation there, Shining.

Here are 2 links to MWT. There are several others on google.

http://williams-thomas.co.uk/sites/default/files/Review%20of%20Madeleiene%20McCann%20Investigation.pdf

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/mark-williams-thomas-another-key-figure.html

[pegasus]

"... was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant ... who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared ... he immediately contacted the GNR ..."
In this receptionist statement it is easily deduced that it means an employee who happened to be in the area of the restaurant when he phoned reception, not an employee who works at the restaurant. The resort manager, not the T9, deserves full credit for insisting that the GNR were called.

[Robittybob1]

"... was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant ... who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared ... he immediately contacted the GNR ..."
In this receptionist statement it is easily deduced that it means an employee who happened to be in the area of the restaurant when he phoned reception, not an employee who works at the restaurant. The resort manager, not the T9, deserves full credit for insisting that the GNR were called.

Wasn't Jes Wilkins up in the Tapas Restaurant at that time?

REPORT OF FOREIGN CARE
Date: 2007/05/04 Location: Praia da Luz - Lagos;
....He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant,

[pegasus]

@Robbity 1. He was not an employee, 2. The short time he was in tapas/pool compound was about 2 hours before the 22:38 call to reception.

[ShiningInLuz]

A pretty good brief summation there, Shining.

Here are 2 links to MWT. There are several others on google.

http://williams-thomas.co.uk/sites/default/files/Review%20of%20Madeleiene%20McCann%20Investigation.pdf

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/mark-williams-thomas-another-key-figure.html

Thanks.

I didn't follow the MBM case when it occurred so I had no idea he was involved.

So he's woke and wandered plus abducted, with no explanation of the window, shutter, patio doors, baby gate or garden gate.

Let me think about this one.   Hmmm.

[Robittybob1]

Thanks.

....

So he's woke and wandered plus abducted, with no explanation of the window, shutter, patio doors, baby gate or garden gate.

....

Doesn't make much sense does it.  &%+((£

[John]

"... was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant ... who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared ... he immediately contacted the GNR ..."
In this receptionist statement it is easily deduced that it means an employee who happened to be in the area of the restaurant when he phoned reception, not an employee who works at the restaurant. The resort manager, not the T9, deserves full credit for insisting that the GNR were called.

It is interesting that the receptionist wouldn't phone the police until he got the nod from the manager.  Probably standing orders?

[Robittybob1]

It is interesting that the receptionist wouldn't phone the police until he got the nod from the manager.  Probably standing orders?

It would be interesting to know who the employee was and when his shift finished.  It is all this non-committed descriptions that allows us to make our own inferences from the statement.
" was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant ... who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared"
How many staff members were there?
Some guests - how many guests were there?
What time was this.

The possible variations of that could run into the hundreds.

[pegasus]

It is interesting that the receptionist wouldn't phone the police until he got the nod from the manager.  Probably standing orders?

His statement indicates that the phonecall (which was at 22:38 IMO) was first time he was told a child had disappeared.

[sadie]

Nothng has gone missing....all their statements are held by the uk police..and it is just not JUST these three its alot of statements given to the uk police that do not appear in the pj files....there is no portuguese conspiracy here dear

So how come that you have never brought forth this information about the UK police before?  I have mentioned the three missing statements several times before... and during your time on forum.

Please could you produce a citation for the UK police having the missing statements of Caroline Carpenter, Raj Balu and Neil Berry.  Thanks in anticipation.

[pegasus]

So how come that you have never brought forth this information about the UK police before?  I have mentioned the three missing statements several times before... and during your time on forum.

Please could you produce a citation for the UK police having the missing statements of Caroline Carpenter, Raj Balu and Neil Berry.  Thanks in anticipation.

The statements are not missing, they are just not included in the published files.
Proof, that it was British police who conducted the early NB and RB interviews, is in this rog question in both rogs
"Do you confirm your previous statements to the British Police?"

[sadie]

CaC was reinterviewed by UK police.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm
scroll down to where it says page 4399

*snipped*
From 2nd Letter of Request, received by UKCA 4th February 2008.

1. Page 18 Interview Steve CARPENTER, he was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of his statement and a copy of the Detective's
statement evidencing the interview.
2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the
Detective's statement evidencing the interview.

Could you find the copy of Carolyns statement?


http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

SNIP/

Carolyn Carpenter

Rogatory interview not included in DVD:

2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the
Detective's statement evidencing the interview.

Carolyn Carpenter page 18

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm#4400

SNIP/
2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the
Detective's statement evidencing the interview.

-SNIP


Where is the missing Rogatory interview?  Does anyone know where the transcript is shown?

[sadie]

The statements are not missing, they are just not included in the published files.
Proof, that it was British police who conducted the early NB and RB interviews, is in this rog question in both rogs
"Do you confirm your previous statements to the British Police?"

Why have these three statements NOT BEEN PUBLISHED?  These particular three that could well prove exactly where Gerry was and when.


http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

SNIP/
We returned the Berry apartment and all of us ate on the veranda.

With regard to the question as to how I became aware a child had gone missing and my involvement in the searches;

After 22:00 we were still sitting on the veranda in the Berry apartment. We heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. My testimony dated 6th of May 2007 related the details of the conversation we overheard and the information regarding the paper that Neil and I used in the searches. I cannot add any more details save those which have already been given in this testimony.
-SNIP

So where is Raj Balus testimony of 6th May 2007 ?  Why are we not seeing that?



http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NEIL_BERRY.htm

SNIP/
At about 20.00 Raj and I went to the Tapas restaurant to place our order and wait for our meal. I think that we had a drink while we waited. I do not remember exactly what we ordered but I think it included red cabbage. When we left with the meal we took the same walk back, along the pool, crossing the road back to the apartment. I think that our apartment was 4G.
I remember that at dinner that the McCanns were not at the restaurant at the time that we left and we did not see them while Raj and I were there.

Once back at the apartment we had dinner and remained there.

From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added.
-SNIP

So where is Neil Berrys previous statement?  Why are we not seeing that ?



http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

SNIP/
Carolyn Carpenter

Rogatory interview not included in DVD:

2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the
Detective's statement evidencing the interview.


Then we read: Carolyn Carpenter page 18

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm#4400

SNIP/
2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the
Detective's statement evidencing the interview.
-SNIP


Where is the missing Rogatory interview?  Does anyone know where the transcript is shown?



So three statements, all, or any, of which could well prove where Gerry was at a very important time .... all NOT been published.

Why have these particular three not been published ?   What is special about them?   
They well might prove where Gerry WAS at a certain pertinent time, is there anything else that sets them apart from all the other statements, which HAVE been published ?


Anyway, the people who matter, SY, will little doubt have re-interviewed all three of them .  They will know.


And this knowledge may well be a part of why they believe in Kate and Gerrys innocence ... or so that seems.

IMO.