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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1635 on: September 19, 2016, 11:38:24 PM »
Agreed, very easy and no squeezing either.

Jez was in the road by the kerb and Gerry was on the edge of the pavement/ kerb according to reports on forum earlier.

Two bods in your photo, Alice .... and Jane was on her own.

Plenty of space.

That is not "my" photo.
I don't take pics like that. I photograph graffiti, anything non pc, probably my best one is of Manneken Pis on Worlds Aids day about 15 years ago................ &%+((£
Of course Eid Al-Adha in Morocco was worth two 36 shot rolls all those years ago. But graffiti less blocks of holiday flats nah not for me it shows nae class.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1636 on: September 20, 2016, 01:20:52 AM »
Is the opening (behind Gerry (3rd photo)) of the end of the path shared by all the apartments?
Do all the private gates (red letters on photo 2) open onto this pathway?
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Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1637 on: September 20, 2016, 08:56:01 AM »
Is the opening (behind Gerry (3rd photo)) of the end of the path shared by all the apartments?
Do all the private gates (red letters on photo 2) open onto this pathway?
Yep, and the low building in image 3 is the Tapas Reception. 

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1638 on: September 20, 2016, 09:24:20 AM »
Yep, and the low building in image 3 is the Tapas Reception.
The bit seen above the trees?  The building along the road is the secondary reception I think?  Did I get the right bit Sadie?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1639 on: September 20, 2016, 01:31:09 PM »
That was I suppose before the McCanns joined them for a couple of nights

Dianne stayed put in the living room, apparently;

Back in the apartment the cold, black night enveloped us all for what seemed like an eternity.
Dianne and I sat there just staring at each other, still as statues. ‘It’s so dark,’ she said again and again. ‘I
want the light to come.’ I felt exactly the same way. Gerry was stretched out on a camp bed with Amelie
asleep on his chest. He kept saying, ‘Kate, we need to rest.’ He managed to drift off but only briefly,
certainly for less than an hour. [Madeleine]

On 4th they went to their new apartment, 4G, so only one night at the Paynes. Kate's Mum, Dad and Aunt arrived on 4th and stayed with them in 4G as far as I can ascertain.

When Kate says 'back in the apartment' it's after she went out to speak to the police;

At one point I went out to speak to the police, needing some reassurance. It was difficult and exasperating as communication was so limited, and there was no reassurance to be had. I walked briskly up and down Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva, sometimes breaking into a jog, clinging to the hope that I’d spot something in the dark. The fear of Madeleine being dumped somewhere and dying of hypothermia started to hijack my thoughts. [Madeleine]

GNR Officer Lacao remembers;

He remembers that during a brief rest period at about 04.00, Madeleine's mother asked whether there was any news and whether the roads had been blocked off.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

Gerry was out too according to GNR Officer Silva;

He only had direct contact with the couple and their friends at about 04.00 when Gerry McCann approached the GNR group of which he was a member to ask whether there was a church close by. He replied to him in English, giving the directions to a nearby church.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUI-SILVA.htm


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Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1640 on: September 22, 2016, 12:03:58 AM »
The bit seen above the trees?  The building along the road is the secondary reception I think?  Did I get the right bit Sadie?
Are you referring to the image shown here?  I am not totally understanding your post.

ETA:  Upon reflection, I am not at all sure this image is of the Tapas restaurant  Something tells me that this image may be a view of the Tapas restaurant, taken from low down, maybe in the alleyway, but I am not sure.  [/s]The shrubs have grown very high  on this image, as they are prone to do very quickly on the western Algarve.


The building that I called the Tapas Reception is also called the Secondary Reception by some.

Does that help?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1641 on: September 22, 2016, 12:21:49 AM »
Are you referring to the image shown here?  I am not totally understanding your post.

Something tells me that this image may be a view of the Tapas restaurant, taken from low down, maybe in the alleyway, but I am not sure.  The shrubs have grown very high  on this image, as they are prone to do very quickly on the western Algarve.


The building that I called the Tapas Reception is also called the Secondary Reception by some.

Does that help?
You would be wrong to call the Tapas Restaurant also the Secondary Reception.  But it is possible "the Tapas Reception is also called the Secondary Reception".

The second pic which I thought might be showing the roof of the Tapas Bar could be wrong.  I can't see how they relate to the pic of the whole restaurant.
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Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1642 on: September 22, 2016, 12:41:08 AM »
You would be wrong to call the Tapas Restaurant also the Secondary Reception.  But it is possible "the Tapas Reception is also called the Secondary Reception".
Try reading my post again Rob.  I never mentioned the word restaurant

Tapas Reception = Secondary Reception

OK ?

Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1643 on: September 22, 2016, 12:42:53 AM »
You would be wrong to call the Tapas Restaurant also the Secondary Reception.  But it is possible "the Tapas Reception is also called the Secondary Reception".

Having seen these two images together, I now am very doubtful that I am right in saying that the building behind the shrubs is the Tapas restaurant.  Will go back and amend.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1644 on: September 22, 2016, 12:47:52 AM »
Try reading my post again Rob.  I never mentioned the word restaurant

Tapas Reception = Secondary Reception

OK ?
I realise that now sorry Sadie   I've never heard of the phrase "Tapas reception".  I'll keep my eyes out for it.
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Offline mercury

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1645 on: September 22, 2016, 02:26:35 AM »
He stated the position of the door when he looked in and saw the twins in their cots.
Gerry stated the position he left the door in after checking on Madeleine and the twins. A comparison of both their statements would have indicated to an interested observer that the door had been moved between visits.

All he had to do was look into the room from the doorway to see the curtains, which he did when he saw the twins in their cots.

But he went to check on madeleine as well and didnt check she was there but went into her parents bedroom to see if she was sleeping there, hello?

Why did matthew do an indoor check at all???
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1646 on: September 22, 2016, 04:58:05 AM »
But he went to check on madeleine as well and didnt check she was there but went into her parents bedroom to see if she was sleeping there, hello?

Why did matthew do an indoor check at all???
Have you got proof of this?
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Offline John

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1647 on: September 22, 2016, 11:21:52 AM »
Oh, fhs Mercury........

And your P.S.........if GM is telling the truth in that he saw the bedroom door open at 9.10pm & saw Madeleine sleeping, then you have to accept he closed the door to at that time. Therefore, when MO checked some 20 mins later, found the door open again & saw the curtains as green + yellow, then something had happened in the apartment during those 20 minutes.
However, if you do not believe GM's testimony at all, then it is a whole different ball game which offers no explanation for MO's testimony.

I agree misty, the only other explanation is that Madeleine herself open the door while wandering around the apartment.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1648 on: September 22, 2016, 11:24:36 AM »
I think there was sufficient evidence of abduction available to the police in the first few hours after Madeleine's disappearance.  The problem was that nobody coordinated it having been immediately sidetracked by trivia.
For example 'praying Arabs' and a distraught mother's request for a priest.

That same evidence although helpful in the abduction by a stranger scenario equally supports other possibilities.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1649 on: September 22, 2016, 01:05:17 PM »
I agree but circumstances would not allow it, media intrusion being just one element of many.

Media intrusion on a reconstruction would have been an issue to consider at any point in the process, wouldn't it?