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Offline Alice Purjorick

"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1726 on: November 18, 2016, 11:24:18 PM »
Why would a camera be pointing up rather than down anyway?

It wouldn't have been unless to cover parking or loading bays. Even if it had the fact that it wasn't recording anyway makes it a bit of an irrelevance.
But what a difference it would have made to the timeline if it had ... or if there had been CCTV inside the tapas or covering the reception area. 

Also, if Madeleine's kidnapping had been planned the location of any surveillance cameras would have been noted; perhaps explaining why men were noticed intently studying the apartment block?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1727 on: November 18, 2016, 11:30:21 PM »
This might have a bearing on things:

http://www.vda.pt/xms/files/Publicacoes/Artigo_MPC+CNN_Video_surveillance_vs_privacey_(PrivaceyLawBusiness2006).pdf
http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/default.aspx?pdffile=CDL-AD(2007)014-e
http://www.surveillance-and-society.org/articles2(2)/regulation.pdf

I believe that in Britain we have more surveillance cameras than anyone and I doubt there is much dispute about their value as a crime fighting tool.
Just don't pick your nose in a public place ... you might very well be on camera somewhere.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1728 on: November 18, 2016, 11:43:58 PM »
I believe that in Britain we have more surveillance cameras than anyone and I doubt there is much dispute about their value as a crime fighting tool.
Just don't pick your nose in a public place ... you might very well be on camera somewhere.

And receive letters from the police asking if you or the front seat passenger in your car saw anything on M whatever at the time of whatever as there had been an accident in the vicinity of where the cameras picked you up.
Or can you prove you were not 200 miles from where you live on xx at yy as a car of your model with 80% of your registration was seen at zz.
Like spooky man.

Could be worse; when I was but a young man the cops could legitimately question you for being out after midnight. You just had to make sure you didn't have a knife or screwdriver in your pocket at the time or it'd be a night banged up.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1729 on: November 19, 2016, 01:17:32 AM »
And receive letters from the police asking if you or the front seat passenger in your car saw anything on M whatever at the time of whatever as there had been an accident in the vicinity of where the cameras picked you up.
Or can you prove you were not 200 miles from where you live on xx at yy as a car of your model with 80% of your registration was seen at zz.
Like spooky man.

Could be worse; when I was but a young man the cops could legitimately question you for being out after midnight. You just had to make sure you didn't have a knife or screwdriver in your pocket at the time or it'd be a night banged up.

My friend is a piper and as a youth was pulled over more times than he had hot dinners to have his bag searched; 
until 1996 the pipes were classified as a 'weapon of war' so technically the cops were within their rights.
http://www.scotclans.com/bagpipes-a-weapon-of-war/
Having survived the searches, he went on to choose a career in the police.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1730 on: November 19, 2016, 01:39:52 AM »
My friend is a piper and as a youth was pulled over more times than he had hot dinners to have his bag searched; 
until 1996 the pipes were classified as a 'weapon of war' so technically the cops were within their rights.
http://www.scotclans.com/bagpipes-a-weapon-of-war/
Having survived the searches, he went on to choose a career in the police.
Wonderful, that is a 10 out of 10.
What's up, old man?

Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1731 on: December 24, 2016, 11:43:35 PM »
Happy Christmas to you all, present & absent friends.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1732 on: December 25, 2016, 12:02:11 AM »

Happy Christmas, Everyone.  Bon Fete.

Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1733 on: December 25, 2016, 12:07:46 AM »
'Tis Christmas Day

Happy Crimbo everyone

http://youtu.be/0A8KT365wlA

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1734 on: December 25, 2016, 08:38:09 AM »
Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year to all.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1735 on: December 29, 2016, 12:00:32 PM »
THE HOUSE ON THE BLACK ROCK

An inhibiting factor is that since the disappearance of the child an old empty house adjacent to the Trig Point on the Rocha Negra has been demolished and all rubble removed, If she was concealed within this property the search would be unlikely to detect her now. (Mark Harrison)

https://h42a.wordpress.com/2016/12/28/black/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1736 on: December 29, 2016, 04:17:07 PM »
THE HOUSE ON THE BLACK ROCK

An inhibiting factor is that since the disappearance of the child an old empty house adjacent to the Trig Point on the Rocha Negra has been demolished and all rubble removed, If she was concealed within this property the search would be unlikely to detect her now. (Mark Harrison)

https://h42a.wordpress.com/2016/12/28/black/
On my current 12 days of Xmas tour at ShiningInLuz, I am thinking of including photos of a huge plot of undeveloped land which has 3 relevant factors.

First, it is roughly the same distance from 5A as the site that OG dug up in June 2014.  (I need to check the distances to be certain.)

Second, I know for a fact that it has anomalies on it.  Whether these anomalies are like the OG anomalies - well only OG could answer that.

Third, it has a truly decrepit old ramshackle hovel on it, which will need to be demolished before the plot can be developed.  On the face of it, it looks like an excellent place to stash a body, though in reality it is anything but.

Perhaps if I get the photos you would be willing to comment on whether such a ruin could be demolished without finding a Madeleine-sized body?

This part of Harrison's input is somewhat weak, IMO.

NB1.  Rocha Negra (Black Rock) is the black volcanic part that can be seen forming the eastern end of Luz bay.  Boa Vista and the trig point are built on rock that is non-volcanic.  That is why the cliff face crumbles after heavy rain.  If it is important, I'll take a walk to the cliff face where the sign that warns people of falling rock also says what kind of rock it is.  Most visitors to Luz simply think the whole cliff is Rocha Negra, though it is not.

NB2.  About a third of the way up to the top of the cliff, using the 'McCann route', there is an even more decrepit ruin.  It also looks like an excellent place to stash a Madeleine-sized body, at least to someone who visits Luz for a week.  The reality is it is not a good hidey-hole.  Perhaps I need to get photos, so I can explain why.

What's up, old man?

Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1737 on: December 29, 2016, 04:21:22 PM »
On my current 12 days of Xmas tour at ShiningInLuz, I am thinking of including photos of a huge plot of undeveloped land which has 3 relevant factors.

First, it is roughly the same distance from 5A as the site that OG dug up in June 2014.  (I need to check the distances to be certain.)

Second, I know for a fact that it has anomalies on it.  Whether these anomalies are like the OG anomalies - well only OG could answer that.

Third, it has a truly decrepit old ramshackle hovel on it, which will need to be demolished before the plot can be developed.  On the face of it, it looks like an excellent place to stash a body, though in reality it is anything but.

Perhaps if I get the photos you would be willing to comment on whether such a ruin could be demolished without finding a Madeleine-sized body?

This part of Harrison's input is somewhat weak, IMO.

NB1.  Rocha Negra (Black Rock) is the black volcanic part that can be seen forming the eastern end of Luz bay.  Boa Vista and the trig point are built on rock that is non-volcanic.  That is why the cliff face crumbles after heavy rain.  If it is important, I'll take a walk to the cliff face where the sign that warns people of falling rock also says what kind of rock it is.  Most visitors to Luz simply think the whole cliff is Rocha Negra, though it is not.

NB2.  About a third of the way up to the top of the cliff, using the 'McCann route', there is an even more decrepit ruin. It also looks like an excellent place to stash a Madeleine-sized body, at least to someone who visits Luz for a week.  The reality is it is not a good hidey-hole.  Perhaps I need to get photos, so I can explain why.


How would it do as a temporary storage place until somewhere better was found?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1738 on: December 29, 2016, 04:42:02 PM »

How would it do as a temporary storage place until somewhere better was found?
Sorry if I did not make it clear enough, mea culpa.

To visitors, in vein of the McCanns, it would look like an excellent place.  The reality, once one knows how Luz works, is it is cr*p.

It is on THE prime dog-running area in Luz.  Where many people take many dogs and exercise them off the leash.

It is on the easy route up/down the cliff to the trig point, used by casual amblers, mountain-bikers, and hardy Portuguese walkers in considerable numbers.

On my visit to the trig point I passed about a dozen people on top of the cliff.  And around the ruined house there was some German with 3 dogs running free who thought it was OK to let them play nip-the-ankles with me.
What's up, old man?

Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1739 on: December 29, 2016, 05:07:40 PM »
@Shining

Is dog-walking permitted on the beach in Luz?