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Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1860 on: March 05, 2017, 06:24:52 PM »
If you read the first judgement carefully you will find that the judge didn't see anything wrong with the book. On page 34 she says there's nothing new in the book. What it says was said by the investigation, it led to the McCanns being made arguidos and it has been said by others.

In order to penalise Amaral her judgement brings in his obligations as a retired policeman. Using some rather complicated mental gymnastics she decides that he has breached judicial secrecy and failed to allow the McCanns the presumption of innocence. Both of these requirements are imposed on a retired policeman, she argues, and they restrict his freedom of speech.

All the Appeal judges had to do then was show that being a retired policeman did not impose those obligations on Amaral, he enjoyed full unrestricted freedom of speech, and her judgement was shown to be wrong.

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Freedom of speech and expression are not absolute, and common limitations to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that: "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #1861 on: March 05, 2017, 06:52:58 PM »
Oh dear.  You mean you want to use emotive and connotative words without supporting the same?  I believe that is called propaganda.


I dont need to be able to support anything under freedom of speech ....I can say exactly what I want.....i'm sure you will support me

stephen25000

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« Reply #1862 on: March 05, 2017, 07:14:16 PM »
Here's a reminder of reports from early on in this case..........................

British diplomat warned Foreign Office of concerns over McCanns

Last updated at 10:18 03 December 2007

The Foreign Office was alerted to fears over Gerry and Kate McCann by a British diplomat in Portugal just days after their daughter Madeleine went missing.

The diplomat was sent to the holiday resort of Praia da Luz in the days following the four-year-old's disappearance and soon became concerned over "inconsistencies" in the testimonies by her parents and their friends.

After visiting the McCanns, the unnamed diplomat sent a report to the Foreign Office in London, admitting his worries about "confused declarations" of the McCanns' movements on the night of May 3.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499340/British-diplomat-warned-Foreign-Office-concerns-McCanns.html#ixzz4aTqeErFo


stephen25000

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« Reply #1863 on: March 05, 2017, 07:20:28 PM »
...and then we have this from the pro-McCann propaganda machine........

i.e. Clarence Mitchell.


 ' MCCANN'S MEDICS Madeleine McCann’s dad Gerry led team of top heart doctors to save life of ex England footballer '

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3012150/madeleine-mccann-gerry-heart-doctors-save-england-footballer/?CMP=Spklr-_-Editorial-_-TheSun-_-News-_-TwImageandlink-_-Statement-_-TWITTER

'It is not known if Gerry, 48, who co-incidentally lives in the same village as The Birch in Rothley, Leicestershire, carried out the hour-long operation but he was on hand to advise.'

'His work has been winning critical acclaim as he and ex-GP wife Kate continue the global hunt to find daughter Maddie, who disappeared nearly 10 years ago from a Portuguese holiday apartment.'

What 'global hunt' is that then ?

Where is this 'critical acclaim' ?


Offline ShiningInLuz

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« Reply #1864 on: March 05, 2017, 07:26:17 PM »

I dont need to be able to support anything under freedom of speech ....I can say exactly what I want.....i'm sure you will support me
Then Amaral did not need to be able to support anything under freedom of speech.

Commonly called waffle.
What's up, old man?

Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1865 on: March 05, 2017, 07:33:15 PM »
...and then we have this from the pro-McCann propaganda machine........

i.e. Clarence Mitchell.


 ' MCCANN'S MEDICS Madeleine McCann’s dad Gerry led team of top heart doctors to save life of ex England footballer '

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3012150/madeleine-mccann-gerry-heart-doctors-save-england-footballer/?CMP=Spklr-_-Editorial-_-TheSun-_-News-_-TwImageandlink-_-Statement-_-TWITTER

'It is not known if Gerry, 48, who co-incidentally lives in the same village as The Birch in Rothley, Leicestershire, carried out the hour-long operation but he was on hand to advise.'

'His work has been winning critical acclaim as he and ex-GP wife Kate continue the global hunt to find daughter Maddie, who disappeared nearly 10 years ago from a Portuguese holiday apartment.'

What 'global hunt' is that then ?

Where is this 'critical acclaim' ?

Now why do I think of that Harry Enfield character - you know the one - pops up saying 'only me'  and then ' you don't wanna do it like that'  to the surgeon   @)(++(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1866 on: March 05, 2017, 07:35:19 PM »
Then Amaral did not need to be able to support anything under freedom of speech.

Commonly called waffle.

#no its called taeching people here including you that freedom of speech is not freedom to libel

Offline ShiningInLuz

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« Reply #1867 on: March 05, 2017, 07:47:38 PM »
#no its called taeching people here including you that freedom of speech is not freedom to libel
Appeal court ruled differently.

SC declined to hear, and clarified that the McCanns were not cleared.
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #1868 on: March 05, 2017, 07:59:04 PM »
Appeal court ruled differently.

SC declined to hear, and clarified that the McCanns were not cleared.

no they didnt....you need to read it again.  The word defamatory does not feature in the ruling....neither does the word cleared...have another look

Offline ShiningInLuz

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« Reply #1869 on: March 05, 2017, 08:01:15 PM »
no they didnt....you need to read it again.  The word defamatory does not feature in the ruling....neither does the word cleared...have another look
Never said 'defamatory' appeared in the ruling, did I?
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1870 on: March 05, 2017, 08:07:46 PM »
Here's a reminder of reports from early on in this case..........................

British diplomat warned Foreign Office of concerns over McCanns

Last updated at 10:18 03 December 2007

The Foreign Office was alerted to fears over Gerry and Kate McCann by a British diplomat in Portugal just days after their daughter Madeleine went missing.

The diplomat was sent to the holiday resort of Praia da Luz in the days following the four-year-old's disappearance and soon became concerned over "inconsistencies" in the testimonies by her parents and their friends.

After visiting the McCanns, the unnamed diplomat sent a report to the Foreign Office in London, admitting his worries about "confused declarations" of the McCanns' movements on the night of May 3.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499340/British-diplomat-warned-Foreign-Office-concerns-McCanns.html#ixzz4aTqeErFo

The clue lies in your statement ... "Here's a reminder of reports from early on in this case....."

I thought you should have worked out by now precisely what those are worth  @)(++(*
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1871 on: March 05, 2017, 08:10:39 PM »
As regards the Sun article, then we have this..............


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-38622454

'Leicester City legend Alan Birchenall saved by nurse'

Mmm.

Mr. Mitchell, take note.

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1872 on: March 05, 2017, 08:11:41 PM »
The clue lies in your statement ... "Here's a reminder of reports from early on in this case....."

I thought you should have worked out by now precisely what those are worth  @)(++(*

You really mean like the reports of abduction... 8(0(* @)(++(*

You walked into that one Brietta.  8((()*/
« Last Edit: March 05, 2017, 08:14:30 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #1873 on: March 05, 2017, 09:27:50 PM »
no they didnt....you need to read it again.  The word defamatory does not feature in the ruling....neither does the word cleared...have another look

Page 70 SC RULING.

And let not be said, too, that the appellants were cleared by the order of filing the criminal proceedings.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #1874 on: March 05, 2017, 09:33:50 PM »
Page 70 SC RULING.

And let not be said, too, that the appellants were cleared by the order of filing the criminal proceedings.
cleared is the unnoficial  transaltion....what is the actual portuguese