Wandering Off Topic

[misty]

So many possibilities have been dredged up to explain Eddie's alerts. Of course each one also suggests his alerts were not false. Instead the idea is that he alerted correctly, but it was to something other than a body in 5A on 3rd May 2007. Ten out of ten for effort, but most of the suggestions are pretty unbelievable.

Eddie alerted multiple times inside Haut de la Garenne - which had been redecorated & refurbished since the period of alleged murderous happenings. How can all those alerts be explained?

[Robittybob1]

Eddie alerted multiple times inside Haut de la Garenne - which had been redecorated & refurbished since the period of alleged murderous happenings. How can all those alerts be explained?

It was possible the odour came up through the floorboards.

[Alfie]

It was possible the odour came up through the floorboards.

Really?  Is that why they dug up the floorboards to discover all the children's bodies?

[jassi]

Did the place even have floorboards ?

[misty]

It was possible the odour came up through the floorboards.

What, up to the first floor landing?

[G-Unit]

Yes it's pretty unbelievable that Madeleine McCann lay dead in the apartment for 2 hours prior to 10pm because that means her parents went out to dinner and for a merry time in the full knowledge that their child was dead and allowed their friends to go check on their kids whilst they were at dinner, yet you seem to think this is plausible.

Is the fact that people can behave normally following a traumatic event evidence that they had no input into the event? I don't think it is because there are so many variables involved.

[Alfie]

Is the fact that people can behave normally following a traumatic event evidence that they had no input into the event? I don't think it is because there are so many variables involved.

It depends on the people involved and the circumstances and the time elapsed between the traumatic event and the normal behaviour.  We know the McCanns appeared to be behaving completely normally and in a relaxed manner prior to the alarm being raised.  We know they were quite relaxed about letting their friends go to the apartment, the alleged resting place of their dead child. We know that at the very most they would have had an hour or so to come to terms with the sudden death and decision to cover up prior to going to dinner.  Then we have to grapple with the motive for such a cover up in the event of an accidental death which occured presumably while they were still in the apartment.  It's a very big ask  to make the cadaver dog alerts work isn't it?   But apparently this scenario is absolutely no problem to you - I find that baffling.

[slartibartfast]

Rather than taking the piss, perhaps you can explain why it would have been impossible for someone who is a surgical assistant to have contaminated the apartment with cadaver odour.

Let's consider the chain of events.

JH needs to have been involved in a surgical procedure where a body part was removed from a living person and allowed to remain at hand in an operating theatre until cadaver scent was established.

She was wearing exposed outdoor clothes underneath her scrubs contrary to standard practice which appears to suggest that nothing should be worn under scrubs. Outdoor shoes are a big no no.

JH managed to get herself contaminated and didn't follow correct sanitation protocols when leaving The Theatre.

She decided to take her work clothes to Portugal on holiday.

...

Impossible, nothing is impossible but this is vey very unlikely.

[Alfie]

Let's consider the chain of events.

JH needs to have been involved in a surgical procedure where a body part was removed from a living person and allowed to remain at hand in an operating theatre until cadaver scent was established.

She was wearing exposed outdoor clothes underneath her scrubs contrary to standard practice which appears to suggest that nothing should be worn under scrubs. Outdoor shoes are a big no no.

JH managed to get herself contaminated and didn't follow correct sanitation protocols when leaving The Theatre.

She decided to take her work clothes to Portugal on holiday.

...

Impossible, nothing is impossible but this is vey very unlikely.

And yet we are led to believe no amount of scrubbing will prevent a dog from detecting the one-time presence of a cadaver, and it only takes one drop of blood on an item buried on a beach for a dog to find it. OK, whatever you say.

[slartibartfast]

And yet we are led to believe no amount of scrubbing will prevent a dog from detecting the one-time presence of a cadaver, and it only takes one drop of blood on an item buried on a beach for a dog to find it. OK, whatever you say.

So no answer and a flounce?

[misty]

Let's consider the chain of events.

JH needs to have been involved in a surgical procedure where a body part was removed from a living person and allowed to remain at hand in an operating theatre until cadaver scent was established.

She was wearing exposed outdoor clothes underneath her scrubs contrary to standard practice which appears to suggest that nothing should be worn under scrubs. Outdoor shoes are a big no no.

JH managed to get herself contaminated and didn't follow correct sanitation protocols when leaving The Theatre.

She decided to take her work clothes to Portugal on holiday.

...

Impossible, nothing is impossible but this is vey very unlikely.

One of the causes of the spread of MRSA is the illusion that scrubs are "clean" when they are actually as prone to cross-contamination (due to mass laundering) as any normal outdoor clothing.
Underwear can be quite easily contaminated, as can socks.

[Alfie]

So no answer and a flounce?

I gave you an answer and I wasn't flouncing - are you trying to goad me again?

[slartibartfast]

One of the causes of the spread of MRSA is the illusion that scrubs are "clean" when they are actually as prone to cross-contamination (due to mass laundering) as any normal outdoor clothing.
Underwear can be quite easily contaminated, as can socks.

So you are either suggesting she took scrubs on holiday or that she was so contaminated it soaked through to underclothes if worn.

Is this more myth building as per the other thread?

[slartibartfast]

I gave you an answer and I wasn't flouncing - are you trying to goad me again?

You didn't answer and appeared to decide you had had enough.

[Alfie]

You didn't answer and appeared to decide you had had enough.

I did answer.  Not answering would have meant I didn't post at all.  I pointed out that the alleged super powers of the dogs are such that such trifles as not wearing outdoor clothes in surgery and following correct santitation procedures may not necessarily be enough to prevent cross contamination.  But I'll hold my hands up and defer to your apparent greater knowledge on the subject, so you win.  Congratulations.