Wandering Off Topic

[Alice Purjorick]

God forbid that they should divulge information to do with the ongoing case.

Much as we would like to know, divulging that would be fatal to the investigation

Which investigation would that be?

[Brietta]

Which investigation would that be?

Alice, please desist.  That sort of post lends nothing to the discussion.

[Alice Purjorick]

Alice, please desist.  That sort of post lends nothing to the discussion.

What remains to be discussed?
The libel trial is over long since and the OG investigation has no legal standing in Portugal. It remains to be seen whether the "re-opening" of the file by the Portuguese Judiciary was anything other than a device by which The Met could ask questions in Portugal under Portuguese law.

[Brietta]

What remains to be discussed?
The libel trial is over long since and the OG investigation has no legal standing in Portugal. It remains to be seen whether the "re-opening" of the file by the Portuguese Judiciary was anything other than a device by which The Met could ask questions in Portugal under Portuguese law.

I think that even if you are correct in your assumption that the Portuguese reopened Madeleine's case only as a vehicle to assist Scotland Yard lawfully ... it does not cancel out that there is an active investigation continuing into her case.

Personally speaking I think you are wrong.
I think the Portuguese reopened their case as a result of discovering when carrying out their own review that to do so was merited by the evidence.  Whether or not their initial investigation was prompted by what was happening as regards Operation Grange, the Policia Judiciaria were hardly going to advise their bosses not to bother with reopening Madeleine's case if they were aware there was evidence worth investigating.

I think they are as keen to solve Madeleine McCann's case as Scotland Yard are.  Therefore I think it is wrong to denigrate the investigation by questioning if there is one.

[sadie]

I think that even if you are correct in your assumption that the Portuguese reopened Madeleine's case only as a vehicle to assist Scotland Yard lawfully ... it does not cancel out that there is an active investigation continuing into her case.

Personally speaking I think you are wrong.
I think the Portuguese reopened their case as a result of discovering when carrying out their own review that to do so was merited by the evidence.  Whether or not their initial investigation was prompted by what was happening as regards Operation Grange, the Policia Judiciaria were hardly going to advise their bosses not to bother with reopening Madeleine's case if they were aware there was evidence worth investigating.

I think they are as keen to solve Madeleine McCann's case as Scotland Yard are.  Therefore I think it is wrong to denigrate the investigation by questioning if there is one.

Excellent post Brietta  .   
I think you are right, most of the PJ will want it properly cleared up.

However I suspect that there might be a few, mainly in the Western Algarve,  who are not so keen.
Who likes their mistakes shown up?

[barrier]

What about the digs in 2014?  Do you have an opinion you wish to share on that or any of the other points you have raised.  I think the quality of debate could easily be enhanced if there was an attempt to participate rather than to hector.

Eleanor raised an opinion on an open forum as regards her thoughts on where OG are in relation to the investigation, why is it unreasonable to politely ask how she came to such thoughts,when Rowley couldn't or wouldn't answer if Grange know whether the poor girl is alive or dead.

[stephen25000]

Excellent post Brietta  .   
I think you are right, most of the PJ will want it properly cleared up.

However I suspect that there might be a few, mainly in the Western Algarve,  who are not so keen.
Who likes their mistakes shown up?

...or of course you're barking up the wrong tree, and nothing will happen, because there is nothing to find.

Pointers, merely pointers, to the shelving of the case.

[Brietta]

Eleanor raised an opinion on an open forum as regards her thoughts on where OG are in relation to the investigation, why is it unreasonable to politely ask how she came to such thoughts,when Rowley couldn't or wouldn't answer if Grange know whether the poor girl is alive or dead.

The issue I have is the way in which some posts are coming across as being badly put and impolite to the point of aggression and are discouraging rather than encouraging discussion.

You may believe you responded politely to an opinion expressed without rancour by another member ... I found your response rude and argumentative.
Exactly what was it you were trying to say about the digs in 2014? ... I'm interested.

[barrier]

The issue I have is the way in which some posts are coming across as being badly put and impolite to the point of aggression and are discouraging rather than encouraging discussion.

You may believe you responded politely to an opinion expressed without rancour by another member ... I found your response rude and argumentative.
Exactly what was it you were trying to say about the digs in 2014? ... I'm interested.

What possible information could be gleaned from a landscaping exercise to be able to lead OG into knowing who and where Madeleine is with as raised by Eleanors post.They were not searching for a live and findable child by any stretch of the imagination.As others have pointed out it lead no where,much like the cocked up burglary theory.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think that even if you are correct in your assumption that the Portuguese reopened Madeleine's case only as a vehicle to assist Scotland Yard lawfully ... it does not cancel out that there is an active investigation continuing into her case.

Personally speaking I think you are wrong.
I think the Portuguese reopened their case as a result of discovering when carrying out their own review that to do so was merited by the evidence.  Whether or not their initial investigation was prompted by what was happening as regards Operation Grange, the Policia Judiciaria were hardly going to advise their bosses not to bother with reopening Madeleine's case if they were aware there was evidence worth investigating.

I think they are as keen to solve Madeleine McCann's case as Scotland Yard are.  Therefore I think it is wrong to denigrate the investigation by questioning if there is one.

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine. There is no evidence either way a better case may be made for my argument than yours.

[Brietta]

What possible information could be gleaned from a landscaping exercise to be able to lead OG into knowing who and where Madeleine is with as raised by Eleanors post.They were not searching for a live and findable child by any stretch of the imagination.As others have pointed out it lead no where,much like the cocked up burglary theory.

Of course they were looking for human remains ... hence the cadaver dogs.

It led nowhere? in my opinion that is a rather jaundiced view.

They did not find Madeleine's remains.  As far as I am concerned that was a result.  Her body was not there to be found despite whatever the intelligence the police were acting on was.

[G-Unit]

Everything has gone quiet since the 10th anniversary. I can think of various possible reasons why.
The media have finally lost interest.
The McCanns have decided to shut up after their Supreme Court defeat.
The McCanns have had to shut up if they can't afford to pay for the awareness PR campaign any longer.

Unless OG can find a convincing answer the McCanns remain exactly where they were in 2008. Under suspicion.
Unless OG can find a convincing answer The MPS will emerge from this under suspicion of having agreed to carry out a biased investigation.

[Brietta]

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine. There is no evidence either way a better case may be made for my argument than yours.

You are rather free with your assumptions which are less than respectful.  One day perhaps the penny will drop that such comment reflects more adversely on the donor than the recipient.

[John]

Many of the cases of young children who died after wandering. unnoticed, from their residence involved water.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/25967440/boy-with-autism-wanders-away-from-home
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3563935/Two-year-old-boy-dead-pond-wandering-away-Florida-home.html
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/4-Year-old-Boy-Who-Wandered-Away-From-Home-Dies-251599941.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/21/local/la-me-ln-missing-boy-dead-pool-20140321
http://cw33.com/2017/03/16/missing-2-year-old-found-dead-in-pond/


Why do you think Madeleine was not located following an unfortunate accident?

Sorry for not replying earlier misty.  There are many reasons why she would not have been found following a supposed fatal accident but the favourite has to be concealment by the person involved.  It is unfortunate that the hinterland around PdL is so pockmarked by both natural and manmade features to the extent that any small child so concealed therein might never be found.

[Angelo222]

Wild animals very often disturb burial sites and move items around above ground leading to their discovery, several cases in Australia saw this happen.  With this in mind does anyone know if further searches have taken place around Luz in case remains or clothing resurface or is it a case of nobody cares any more?