Wandering Off Topic

[ShiningInLuz]

Wild animals very often disturb burial sites and move items around above ground leading to their discovery, several cases in Australia saw this happen.  With this in mind does anyone know if further searches have taken place around Luz in case remains or clothing resurface or is it a case of nobody cares any more?

I very much doubt anyone is interested enough to 'search' now we are 10 years on.  I have no doubt, however,  that if body parts, bones, clothing etc. surfaced it would be reported.

The interesting thing about the 'hinterland' around Luz is how hard it is to get away from dog-walkers, tourists, hikers, locals going about their business.

Somewhere I have got a pamphlet about one of the two barragems allegedly used to conceal Madeleine's body.  It turns out in reality it is a popular nature trek.  From memory, there is even a refreshment stop at some point along the trail.

[barrier]

Of course they were looking for human remains ... hence the cadaver dogs.

It led nowhere? in my opinion that is a rather jaundiced view.

They did not find Madeleine's remains.  As far as I am concerned that was a result.  Her body was not there to be found despite whatever the intelligence the police were acting on was.

Then SY completely misunderstood the intelligence, what other answer can there be.It was either a wild goose chase or some one led them up the garden path in which case that some one should be done for wasting police time.

[barrier]

Wild animals very often disturb burial sites and move items around above ground leading to their discovery, several cases in Australia saw this happen.  With this in mind does anyone know if further searches have taken place around Luz in case remains or clothing resurface or is it a case of nobody cares any more?

I guess its all down to recourses,don't know where you are,but recently in the UK the police searched a landfill site looking for a missing serviceman,despite there were many man hours over a 20 week period but no sign has been found of the guy,yet it seems as if they do still believe he his likely to be in there but have now stopped searching.
10 yrs on from the girl going missing and 3 yrs on from the digs its unlikely to my mind at least that any full scale search as before will take place.

[Brietta]

Then SY completely misunderstood the intelligence, what other answer can there be.It was either a wild goose chase or some one led them up the garden path in which case that some one should be done for wasting police time.

Very speculative. 
Interesting that you appear to think that if intelligence doesn't pan out it is as a result of ...

• misunderstanding
• a wild goose chase
• being led up the garden path

In your opinion is investigation a waste of time in general or only in relation to Madeleine McCann's case?

[Brietta]

I very much doubt anyone is interested enough to 'search' now we are 10 years on.  I have no doubt, however,  that if body parts, bones, clothing etc. surfaced it would be reported.

The interesting thing about the 'hinterland' around Luz is how hard it is to get away from dog-walkers, tourists, hikers, locals going about their business.

Somewhere I have got a pamphlet about one of the two barragems allegedly used to conceal Madeleine's body.  It turns out in reality it is a popular nature trek.  From memory, there is even a refreshment stop at some point along the trail.

I think you are right about dog walkers and their dogs and joggers being likely to discover any remains.  A very quick search turns up loads of instances.

'Unlucky' dog walker finds TWO dead bodies in same churchyard spot within weeks
The member of the public - who has not been named - is not under any suspicion and is simply unfortunate to have found both bodies, say police
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/unlucky-dog-walker-finds-two-4326407

Dog walkers find dead body while out walking in popular park
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/dog-walkers-find-dead-body-6689463

GRIM DISCOVERY Richmond Park dog walker finds dead body during morning jog
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2109787/richmond-park-dog-walker-finds-dead-body-during-morning-jog/

[barrier]

Very speculative. 
Interesting that you appear to think that if intelligence doesn't pan out it is as a result of ...

• misunderstanding
• a wild goose chase
• being led up the garden path

In your opinion is investigation a waste of time in general or only in relation to Madeleine McCann's case?

June 2014 digs,followed by interviews of 4 arguidos which lead no where,any intelligence to dig was not extracted from the questioning, so where did it come from? the investigation was described then as to right back at the beginning being no further forward.By the end of that year according to Rowley they were no longer of interest.
Autumn 2015 its announced that OG is drastically scaled back,its gone and going no where fast.

[Brietta]

June 2014 digs,followed by interviews of 4 arguidos which lead no where,any intelligence to dig was not extracted from the questioning, so where did it come from? the investigation was described then as to right back at the beginning being no further forward.By the end of that year according to Rowley they were no longer of interest.
Autumn 2015 its announced that OG is drastically scaled back,its gone and going no where fast.

You appear to harbour a great deal of antipathy towards Operation Grange which I find extraordinary since it is after all, an investigation which is taking place on behalf of a missing girl?
Is it your preference she shouldn't be looked for?

[G-Unit]

You appear to harbour a great deal of antipathy towards Operation Grange which I find extraordinary since it is after all, an investigation which is taking place on behalf of a missing girl?
Is it your preference she shouldn't be looked for?

I think a case can be made for Operation Grange to be acting on behalf of the parents of the missing girl. As Rowley said, their mission is to help the parents. It may be that their interests and Madeleine's are the same, but if they're not............

[Alice Purjorick]

You are rather free with your assumptions which are less than respectful.  One day perhaps the penny will drop that such comment reflects more adversely on the donor than the recipient.

Reap as ye sow. Respect is earned not demanded.

[Brietta]

I think a case can be made for Operation Grange to be acting on behalf of the parents of the missing girl. As Rowley said, their mission is to help the parents. It may be that their interests and Madeleine's are the same, but if they're not............

There is no doubt that finding Madeleine is in the best interest of her family ... why would you insinuate that might not be the case for Madeleine?

[Brietta]

Reap as ye sow. Respect is earned not demanded.

  ... indeed and, "Manners maketh man"

[John]

You appear to harbour a great deal of antipathy towards Operation Grange which I find extraordinary since it is after all, an investigation which is taking place on behalf of a missing girl?
Is it your preference she shouldn't be looked for?

The emphasis appears to be on finding someone to blame rather then finding the missing child.  At least the pitiful reward offererd by SY points to that realisation.

[misty]

The emphasis appears to be on finding someone to blame rather then finding the missing child.  At least the pitiful reward offererd by SY points to that realisation.

A chicken & egg situation. The size of the reward is irrelevant given the profile of the case & the risk involved for being the whistle-blower is immeasurable.

[G-Unit]

There is no doubt that finding Madeleine is in the best interest of her family ... why would you insinuate that might not be the case for Madeleine?

Madeleine disappeared in unknown circumstances. Operation Grange have been investigating an abduction. If she wasn't abducted then their investigation isn't acting on her behalf.

[barrier]

You appear to harbour a great deal of antipathy towards Operation Grange which I find extraordinary since it is after all, an investigation which is taking place on behalf of a missing girl?
Is it your preference she shouldn't be looked for?

If you have any evidence  that they are actually looking for the girl I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing to see it.
OG for some reason is nothing but a headline investigation imo,Autumn 2013 crimewatch and the revelation moment,  at the beginning of 2014 imminent arrest were supposedly going to be made,it was in June that we know the 4 arguidos were questioned followed by OG officers in the full glare of the worlds media on their hands and knees in the hot sun landscaping the Portuguese countryside.November/December of that year another raft of interviewee's.
Autumn 2015 announcement of scaling back,April 2016 HH one last lead,April 2017 Rowley all theories still open.
An awful lot of headlines to have got no where bar elimination of all and sundry and the spending of £11+ million of hard earned tax payers money.