Wandering Off Topic

[Alice Purjorick]

Was he convicted in 2009?  Yes he was so he was in hindsight guilty all along.  He would have felt guilty in knowing what he had done prior to the conviction.  If he didn't that is another matter.

Where is the "spittin'mi beer out with laughter emoji" ?

[Robittybob1]

Where is the "spittin'mi beer out with laughter emoji" ?

You've already used that one!

[G-Unit]

But I see what he was convicted of was a crime that happened in 2004, and from what I understand he had been charged with involvement in that crime prior to being made coordinator in the McCann case.
Having these factors in your mind is not conducive to good work IMO.
The date of conviction is less important.

The date of conviction was provided because someone got it wrong. When he was made arguido he pffered to step down from the case and was told to carry on, he says.

[Carana]

The date of conviction was provided because someone got it wrong. When he was made arguido he pffered to step down from the case and was told to carry on, he says.

If this was a private conversation, I doubt that there's any official record of it. If there was a formal exchange of correspondence, I haven't come across it in the files.

Every country's police forces have no doubt had "slippery stair" incidents, well before smartphones were around.

True or not, I don't understand how someone under a cloud over an investigation into a missing child could remain as coordinator of an investigation involving another missing child.

So far, I haven't found anything in the regulations about "gardening leave", pending the outcome of such incidents.

[G-Unit]

If this was a private conversation, I doubt that there's any official record of it. If there was a formal exchange of correspondence, I haven't come across it in the files.

Every country's police forces have no doubt had "slippery stair" incidents, well before smartphones were around.

True or not, I don't understand how someone under a cloud over an investigation into a missing child could remain as coordinator of an investigation involving another missing child.

So far, I haven't found anything in the regulations about "gardening leave", pending the outcome of such incidents.

The fact remains that he was allowed to continue. Is it necessary to understand why?

[G-Unit]

I wonder why Jane began to feel abandoned? Her evidence is fairly incoherent, but she seems to be saying that Russell was gone longer than she expected when he returned to the Tapas for his meal. According to Russell's statements on 4th and 11th May, however, he only left their apartment at 21.55 to go and get his food.

Reply    “Erm, well Evie was still up, so I was just with Evie in the room and I think it was getting quite and Russell had sort of said ‘I’ll go and finish my meal and then I’ll come back’.  So the next thing I can sort of really remember is thinking ‘Oh I wonder why he’s not’, you know, I think I was thinking ‘Oh he’s got chatting, he’s not gonna’, you know, ‘he’s not gonna come back’, blah, blah, sort of thinking along those lines....... But I don’t know how long that is from, but I think it must have been a fair while from, because I was actually thinking ‘Oh he should be back by now’, sort of actually, you know, to actually look out of the window”.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

I wonder why Jane began to feel abandoned? Her evidence is fairly incoherent, but she seems to be saying that Russell was gone longer than she expected when he returned to the Tapas for his meal. According to Russell's statements on 4th and 11th May, however, he only left their apartment at 21.55 to go and get his food.

Reply    “Erm, well Evie was still up, so I was just with Evie in the room and I think it was getting quite and Russell had sort of said ‘I’ll go and finish my meal and then I’ll come back’.  So the next thing I can sort of really remember is thinking ‘Oh I wonder why he’s not’, you know, I think I was thinking ‘Oh he’s got chatting, he’s not gonna’, you know, ‘he’s not gonna come back’, blah, blah, sort of thinking along those lines....... But I don’t know how long that is from, but I think it must have been a fair while from, because I was actually thinking ‘Oh he should be back by now’, sort of actually, you know, to actually look out of the window”.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Keep investigating this aspect please.

[carlymichelle]

  it  sounds like the  tapas  7  were  up and down  like yo yos  during  dinner

[G-Unit]

I thought it was Rachael who informed Jane that MM was missing.

Jane 4th May
When she was in the apartment, at about 22.00- 22.15 she heard Kate and Fiona shouting and saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

10th May
Later she heard voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in front of the bedroom windows and who called, desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it was KH herself who told the deponent that Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in what circumstances, continuing her search. The deponent stayed in her apartment because her daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev, was still awake and complaining.

[jassi]

it  sounds like the  tapas  7  were  up and down  like yo yos  during  dinner

It does rather, but in fact it was mainly Tanner & O'Brien who were playing musical chairs.
5 never moved at all after the group assembled.

[G-Unit]

It does rather, but in fact it was mainly Tanner & O'Brien who were playing musical chairs.
5 never moved at all after the group assembled.

The Paynes and Dianne Webster, Kate and Rachael stayed put.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The Paynes and Dianne Webster, Kate and Rachael stayed put.

Kate??

[jassi]

Kate??

Only moved at the end of the evening. Gerry left once, right at the beginning.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Only moved at the end of the evening. Gerry left once, right at the beginning.

It was only the end of the evening because she discovered Madeleine missing, but to say she stayed put at the table is nonsense.

[jassi]

It was only the end of the evening because she discovered Madeleine missing, but to say she stayed put at the table is nonsense.

She hadn't budged before then. She sat there from 8.30 until 10.
Nothing to argue about really, but I'm sure you will.