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Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3435 on: June 08, 2018, 06:39:35 PM »

Can't see where that view is expressed,nice of you to think for me.

Fair enough. Upon reading a few of your other related comments since then, I can see that how I understood it isn't necessarily what you meant.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3436 on: June 08, 2018, 06:42:39 PM »

Can't see where that view is expressed,nice of you to think for me.
Two more miracles!  Posters being considerate and nice to each other.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3437 on: June 08, 2018, 06:54:54 PM »
Some parents do unthinkable things to their children for example the Turpin children in America.

Turpin case: Siblings allegedly starved, shackled and taunted with food
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/california-torture-case-turpin/index.html

There is always evidence of such atrocities.  On the other hand there is evidence that Madeleine and her siblings were very much loved and well cared children ... to imply otherwise is despicable in my opinion.

What goes on behind closed doors is often missed by the authorities.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Erngath

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3438 on: June 08, 2018, 07:00:06 PM »
No doubt it was the way you said it!  Was it clearly stated as opinion or were you making it out to be a fact?

No it was my opinion, as it still  is my opinion that Madeleine seemed to me to be a much loved child.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3439 on: June 08, 2018, 07:28:28 PM »
What goes on behind closed doors is often missed by the authorities.

The Turpins home schooled their children https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/turpins-child-torture-case/index.html and according to neighbours they were reclusive.https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/california-torture-case-turpin/index.html

There is testimony given under oath from non family members who knew Madeleine and her parents well that she and her siblings were very much loved and well cared for children.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3440 on: June 08, 2018, 07:42:16 PM »
The Turpins home schooled their children https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/turpins-child-torture-case/index.html and according to neighbours they were reclusive.https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/california-torture-case-turpin/index.html

There is testimony given under oath from non family members who knew Madeleine and her parents well that she and her siblings were very much loved and well cared for children.

Given under oath?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3441 on: June 08, 2018, 08:18:41 PM »
What goes on behind closed doors is often missed by the authorities.

True, and I've read about numerous harrowing situations. In this case, however, I can't find anything remotely resembling those horror stories.

NB: Having read through the totality of witness statements in the Cipriano case, in which none of the neutral to positive ones ever got translated, if anything untoward had been going on with regard to that little girl, I can't find it in the rulings. My only question mark on such a possibility got glossed over.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3442 on: June 08, 2018, 10:20:11 PM »
Given under oath?
Witness statement of Karen Lamena Elaine McCalman (family friend) 2008.05.14

Testimony from Ka.L.E.Mc

Age if less than 18 years:

Occupation:

This deposition (comprising 2 pages and signed by me) is true and according to my understanding. I am aware that, if proven to the contrary, I will be subject to prosecution if I have voluntarily testified to something with knowledge of it being false or not corresponding to the truth.

Date: May 16, 2008

Signature _________________________________

 I am the abovementioned person living in East Goscote, Leicestershire. The full address was previously supplied to police. I live with my husband and our two children of four and two years of age.
 
Recently I was interviewed by police from Leicestershire on certain points concerning the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I have been informed that this questionnaire was drawn up following a formal request from the Portuguese authorities. I am aware that my testimony is subject to the Portuguese Criminal Code and English law.
 
These are the answers that I can provide to the questions which I received:
 
I have known Kate McCann and her daughter Madeleine for about two and a half years. At that time the McCANN family lived in Queniborough. Kate and I knew each other from the local group of http://www.netmums.com group of toddlers at Charnwood. We got on well with each other and we became friends. We met at least once a week and we frequented each other's homes. I took care of Madeleine some afternoons or days.
 
I always thought Madeleine was fun [-loving], smart and expressed herself with ease. She had a very pleasant personality and got on very well with my daughter. She made people smile.
 
Initially I thought that Gerry McCann was a bit harsh, but as we got to know each other he revealed himself to be very nice and fun [-loving].
 
I think Kate was a little shy until we got to know each other. She is strong but modest and would never want to be on the pedestal where she is today.

 I am not aware of any conflict between the family. Madeleine and Kate got on well together like best friends do. I never saw Kate or Gerry physically mistreat children. (page 1)

I never saw Madeleine ill and I consider her a healthy child. I never saw changes in her behaviour.
 
Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child. We were able to bring her to her senses like she was an adult.

She never seemed scared. She was not hyperactive.
 
Regarding the sleep habits of Madeleine, Kate told me that when they lived in Queniborough Madeleine used to wake in the middle of the night and come to bed with the parents for the rest of the night. When they moved to Rothley she began to do this less often and the parents used to give her stickers as a bonus to sleep all night alone.
 
I remember there were many of these stickers in the house, for the nights when she would sleep alone all night. The stickers were glued to the door of the refrigerator.
 
Kate and Gerry never seemed tired and never struggled to take care of the children.

I have no knowledge of Madeleine at any time to have been subjected to medication. I only remember her being given paracetamol once when she had a cold.
 
I think the behaviour of Madeleine appropriate for her age. She was very energetic, but a model child. She liked to swim, play tennis and ride a bicycle and attend kindergarten.
 
I think Kate and Gerry were exemplary parents. Kate never raised her voice and always kept herself calm and never seemed tired of her children even on the busiest days. Gerry 'stripped' his professional air such that he came home after work and got involved entirely with the children.
 
I do not remember any more, nor any information or additional explanation that is relevant or which may help in the investigation.
 
This testimony was made by me and it is true according to my understanding.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KA-LEMc.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3443 on: June 09, 2018, 12:15:26 AM »
Some parents do unthinkable things to their children for example the Turpin children in America.

Turpin case: Siblings allegedly starved, shackled and taunted with food
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/california-torture-case-turpin/index.html

There is always evidence of such atrocities.  On the other hand there is evidence that Madeleine and her siblings were very much loved and well cared children ... to imply otherwise is despicable in my opinion.


I find it quite unacceptable that you can post about the horrors of some parenting skills- discussing the Turpin 'family'. and refuse too accept that loving MBM was never in question  regarding the parents-but caring is very different as she is no longer with her family due to her parents not caring for her. I find it quite astonishing that you do not understand what the word caring means. They left their children alone without anyone to 'care' for them as they slept.

I have no doubt they loved their children even though like many mothers who struggle with three children under 4 it can leave you exhausted. I understand that Gerry wasn't really the new man hands on dad like the other Tapas fathers, according to Kate. So as a family unit it wasn't blissful 24/7 . But that night they were not there to 'care' for their daughter.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3444 on: June 09, 2018, 11:16:32 AM »


I find it quite unacceptable that you can post about the horrors of some parenting skills- discussing the Turpin 'family'. and refuse too accept that loving MBM was never in question  regarding the parents-but caring is very different as she is no longer with her family due to her parents not caring for her. I find it quite astonishing that you do not understand what the word caring means. They left their children alone without anyone to 'care' for them as they slept.

I have no doubt they loved their children even though like many mothers who struggle with three children under 4 it can leave you exhausted. I understand that Gerry wasn't really the new man hands on dad like the other Tapas fathers, according to Kate. So as a family unit it wasn't blissful 24/7 . But that night they were not there to 'care' for their daughter.
But is that the reason she disappeared?
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Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3445 on: June 09, 2018, 11:19:43 AM »
But is that the reason she disappeared?

None of us know the reason she disappeared, only that she did.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #3446 on: June 09, 2018, 11:28:08 AM »
None of us know the reason she disappeared, only that she did.
Therefore we shouldn't be blaming anyone IMO.   Kizzy talks of Madeleine's pain, well when did she have this pain and what caused the pain? 
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Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3447 on: June 09, 2018, 11:30:08 AM »
Therefore we shouldn't be blaming anyone IMO.   Kizzy talks of Madeleine's pain, well when did she have this pain and what caused the pain?

I suppose she may have died peacefully in her sleep.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Angelo222

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3448 on: June 09, 2018, 11:31:02 AM »
Therefore we shouldn't be blaming anyone IMO.   Kizzy talks of Madeleine's pain, well when did she have this pain and what caused the pain?

I don't agree, the parents are to blame for creating the situation in the first place.  Had they took it in turns to look after the children properly or bothered to take them to the night creche then this entire fiasco could have been avoided. They took a chance with their children's safety and it backfired. If somebody did lift her from the street outside then certainly they are guilty of a despicable crime but that is a separate issue imo.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 11:33:55 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3449 on: June 09, 2018, 11:34:04 AM »
I don't agree, the parents are to blame for creating the situation in the first place.  Had they took it in turns to look after the children properly or bothered to take them to the night creche then this entire fiasco could have been avoided. They took a chance with their children's safety and it backfired. If somebody did lift her from the street outside then certainly they are guilty of a despicable crime.

i totally agree maddie was 3 and the twins were even younger