Wandering Off Topic

[jassi]

I don't think Brietta suggested it was the worst or at greater risk than other holiday destinations, just that we now know there were a number of recent break-ins in the immediate area. It is not uncommon for resorts or public places / facilities to issue a warning about thieves currently operating in an area and to be extra vigilant.  Does this appear to have happened at the OC / other parts of PdL?

Is it?
Would we expect to see similar signs in Blackpool or Skegness, for example ?

[Angelo222]

It is The Algarve that we are discussing.  And Brietta was referring to The Ocean Club Management being aware of what had been happening, which they were.

Virtually every resort in the world experience pilfering from clients bedrooms. The Ocean Club in Luz would be very aware that there were isolated incidences of this at their premises but certainly insufficient to merit CCTV everywhere, armed guards or barbed wire and manned security gates. All a bit ott Brietta?

ETA it's common sense to take precautions when abroad but obviously some leave their brains at passport control.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is it?
Would we expect to see similar signs in Blackpool or Skegness, for example ?

I've never been to Skegness, and it's been a while since I was in Blackpool, but this was the kind of thing I was thinking of, from a hotel in France
https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187266-d1687431-i23897607-Hotel_Etoile_d_Or-Megeve_Haute_Savoie_Auvergne_Rhone_Alpes.html

[Angelo222]

I've never been to Skegness, and it's been a while since I was in Blackpool, but this was the kind of thing I was thinking of, from a hotel in France
https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187266-d1687431-i23897607-Hotel_Etoile_d_Or-Megeve_Haute_Savoie_Auvergne_Rhone_Alpes.html

Seriously VS, would you go out to dine while on holiday abroad and leave your apartment unlocked?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Seriously VS, would you go out to dine and leave your apartment unlocked?

Definitely not!

[Mr Gray]

Seriously VS, would you go out to dine while on holiday abroad and leave your apartment unlocked?

It is a shame there are such nasty people about that we are unable to

[Vertigo Swirl]

It is a shame there are such nasty people about that we are unable to

I have been the victim of burglary so many times (from locked houses and apartments over the years) that I have a heightened sense of security.  One time we were burgled while we slept in our beds.  It makes you somewhat paranoid. 

[Brietta]

Brietta wrongly singled out the Algarve for criticism when it is well known that it isn't the worst region in Europe for crime.  Her "high risk" claim is greatly exaggerated and is not borne out by any historical evidence.  Had the McCanns exercised a modicum of savy that night, we wouldn't be here now discussing this event.

The only reason for "singling out the Algarve" is that Madeleine McCann vanished from the Algarve while on holiday there with her family.

It is my opinion concentration on her parents as opposed to concentration on intelligence perhaps leading to evidence might very well have led to her safe recovery.

Intelligence such as the possible distraction of an activated burglar alarm in Odiaxere around the time Madeleine vanished.
The burglaries which had taken place in Luz were also intelligence as was the disappearance of Joana Cipriano from her home a short distance from Luz.
In my opinion, by far the most compelling intelligence of all was in the form of the home invasions and assaults on children which had taken place in the Algarve.

The only intelligence which seemed to attract any attention at all in my opinion was the dog visit.

[Mr Gray]

I have been the victim of burglary so many times (from locked houses and apartments over the years) that I have a heightened sense of security.  One time we were burgled while we slept in our beds.  It makes you somewhat paranoid.

I had to smile when my son said he'd bought a burglar alarm for his barge... It's made out if steel.. Two feet long and very sharp

[Brietta]

Definitely not!

LOL ... I once went out leaving the door of my hotel room propped against the wall it having fallen in on me when I opened it.
So, yes I have gone out and not only left the door unlocked ... I left a huge gap where it should have been.

[slartibartfast]

I had to smile when my son said he'd bought a burglar alarm for his barge... It's made out if steel.. Two feet long and very sharp

You should probably delete that, if he now used it against a burglar it would be classed as premeditated.

[Eleanor]

I've got an antique Sword Stick at the top of my stairs.  Not that The French are even remotely lawless.  It's The English Expats you have to watch out for.

I shall plead Crime of Passion if I ever have to use it.

[faithlilly]

The front of the building was thought to be secured by a dropped shutter and a solid locked front door.
They didn't know it was possible to raise the shutter from outside. 
Nor did they know about burglaries taking place in the resort with entry via a window or with the use of a key ... two of which had taken place in apartment block A.

Why on earth would the thought of someone entering their apartment and abducting a child even enter their heads?  At that time they were totally unaware that a sexual predator was gaining entry to holiday apartments in the near vicinity and in Luz itself.

No holidaymaker snuggling down in bed at night was aware of the potential danger of someone entering while they slept and either or robbing them and carrying out an  assault on their children.

Imagine there’d been a fire which started at the front of the apartment  near the children’s bedroom. Would the parents have seen it from their table at the tapas ? It is more than likely the children would have been beyond help by the time they could see the flames. How much support do you think the parents would have received then ? Imagine the scene.....the parents sitting quaffing wine and socialising while their babies burned. Horrific !

[Angelo222]

I've got an antique Sword Stick at the top of my stairs.  Not that The French are even remotely lawless.  It's The English Expats you have to watch out for.

I shall plead Crime of Passion if I ever have to use it.

The late great Ken Dodd comes to mind with his tickling stick.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Imagine there’d been a fire which started at the front of the apartment  near the children’s bedroom. Would the parents have seen it from their table at the tapas ? It is more than likely the children would have been beyond help by the time they could see the flames. How much support do you think the parents would have received then ? Imagine the scene.....the parents sitting quaffing wine and socialising while their babies burned. Horrific !

Though not supporting their actions, they would nonetheless have had my deepest sympathies, I certainly wouldn’t have taken to social media to delight in adding to their misery by slagging them off endlessly for years.