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« Reply #19710 on: Today at 10:01:57 AM »
Why is their army so shit then? To suggest that North Korean soldiers are willing recruits is the best joke I will read today.

So shit that they control nearly 30% of Ukranian territory? And despite losing nearly half a million soldiers & only killing 50k Ukranians they are somehow still holding that territory?
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« Reply #19711 on: Today at 10:14:46 AM »

Do you think it possible VS that the Centre for Strategic Studies & Zelensky might be slightly exaggerating Russian fatalities at nearly half a million? That Zelensky is telling the truth that only 50k Ukranian soldiers have been killed?
Do those seem like legitimate figures to you?
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« Reply #19712 on: Today at 10:32:22 AM »

Correction. 55k. Only 55k soldiers dead according to Zelensky, and there's no way he'd lie about that, because the West doesn't ever engage in propaganda. At all. Ever. No. It's final. Ukraine are winning by a huge margin & Russia's original 1 million strong army will all be dead if the war continues at the same pace of casualties, at the expense of only 110k Ukranians.
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« Reply #19713 on: Today at 01:51:49 PM »
So shit that they control nearly 30% of Ukranian territory? And despite losing nearly half a million soldiers & only killing 50k Ukranians they are somehow still holding that territory?

How much of Ukraine does Russia control in 2026?
Russia occupies approximately 17-18% of Ukraine's internationally recognized territory ? roughly 110,000-120,000 km?. This includes Crimea (annexed 2014), most of Luhansk Oblast, about 55-60% of Donetsk Oblast, approximately 60% of Zaporizhzhia Oblast, and the left bank of Kherson Oblast. This is less than Russia's 2022 invasion peak but more than its pre-February 2022 positions.

https://ukraine-war-analytics.com/analysis/ukraine-territory-frontline-2026.html#frontline-changes

Would you say the war was proving to be a great success for Putin?
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« Reply #19714 on: Today at 02:33:46 PM »
How much of Ukraine does Russia control in 2026?
Russia occupies approximately 17-18% of Ukraine's internationally recognized territory ? roughly 110,000-120,000 km?. This includes Crimea (annexed 2014), most of Luhansk Oblast, about 55-60% of Donetsk Oblast, approximately 60% of Zaporizhzhia Oblast, and the left bank of Kherson Oblast. This is less than Russia's 2022 invasion peak but more than its pre-February 2022 positions.

https://ukraine-war-analytics.com/analysis/ukraine-territory-frontline-2026.html#frontline-changes

Would you say the war was proving to be a great success for Putin?

Oh look, another Western source. It depends how you define success. What do you suppose Russia's goal Is? Conquer all of Ukraine & control it? Or Demilitarise it & seize the pro Russian Areas? Which one do you think they are aiming for and & Why?
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« Reply #19715 on: Today at 02:50:45 PM »
Oh look, another Western source. It depends how you define success. What do you suppose Russia's goal Is? Conquer all of Ukraine & control it? Or Demilitarise it & seize the pro Russian Areas? Which one do you think they are aiming for and & Why?
Sorry, I can?t supply Russian sources a) because I don?t read Russian and b) because they?re giving to churning out as much if not more propaganda than any other country this side of North Korea and China.  Feel free to provide your own sources contradicting mine though. 
I was going to ask you the same question actually.  What is Putin?s ultimate aim here and how can it be achieved?  Does it require Ukraine to surrender?  How can Ukraine trust Russia in any surrender deal that it won?t push its advantage at a later date and why the hell should it surrender to the outrageous bully anyway?  Ukraine should make joining NATO a key aim of any negotiated settlement but Putin won?t have that will he? I?d also be asking for my nuclear weapons to be reinstalled and pointed directly at Moscow if I was in charge. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

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« Reply #19716 on: Today at 02:58:48 PM »
Sorry, I can?t supply Russian sources a) because I don?t read Russian and b) because they?re giving to churning out as much if not more propaganda than any other country this side of North Korea and China.  Feel free to provide your own sources contradicting mine though. 
I was going to ask you the same question actually.  What is Putin?s ultimate aim here and how can it be achieved?  Does it require Ukraine to surrender?  How can Ukraine trust Russia in any surrender deal that it won?t push its advantage at a later date and why the hell should it surrender to the outrageous bully anyway?  Ukraine should make joining NATO a key aim of any negotiated settlement but Putin won?t have that will he? I?d also be asking for my nuclear weapons to be reinstalled and pointed directly at Moscow if I was in charge.

Try reading Minsk 1 & 2 & the Istanbul negotiations.
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« Reply #19717 on: Today at 03:01:19 PM »


I really can't imagine why Russia wouldn't object to West Ukraine hosting US/NATO bases. Given that NATO is most definitely a strictly defensive alliance. Apart from when it isn't.
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« Reply #19718 on: Today at 06:18:32 PM »

I really can't imagine why Russia wouldn't object to West Ukraine hosting US/NATO bases. Given that NATO is most definitely a strictly defensive alliance. Apart from when it isn't.
So do you think Russia should fear an invasion by NATO forces, is that very likely to happen given Russia?s enormous nuclear arsenal?
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« Reply #19719 on: Today at 06:52:44 PM »
So do you think Russia should fear an invasion by NATO forces, is that very likely to happen given Russia?s enormous nuclear arsenal?

What is likely, VS, is that United States would interfere in Ukranian politics. Sponsor an illegal coup against the government there. Arm Russo phobic militants & incite a civil war forcing Russia to respond with a further war with the intention of causing Russia to overextend & exhaust itself, leading Russia to collapse & be ripe for US pickings. That situation is likely VS, because that is what is happening in Ukraine. As I explained before. The US has a long history of interfering in sovereign states & overthrowing governments. It is 40 trillion in debt. In debt to over 100% of GDP. It's interest payments match it's military budget & has roughly 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities due to hit in the next 10 years. It has no way out but war. Add Venezuelan oil rights to Iranian oil rights to Russian oil rights & that should cover the debt. Alternatively it could just go quietly into the night as BRICS rises. But it doesn't appear they are going to do that.
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« Reply #19720 on: Today at 06:56:20 PM »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

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« Reply #19721 on: Today at 06:56:55 PM »
The US recently lost it's AAA credit rating. The dollar has lost over 90% purchasing power since 1971 when they 'temporarily' suspended convertibility into Gold. All the gold & manufacturing has moved from West to East.
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« Reply #19722 on: Today at 06:59:52 PM »
An interesting discussion here
https://youtu.be/JNnLrDPxqjg?is=RwWUythfooyPpmhh

Western State funded media again VS. There are plenty of independent sources out there. You don't need to just blindly rely on US intelligence. They tend to have a certain bias.
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« Reply #19723 on: Today at 07:05:55 PM »

Watch a few John Mearsheimer videos on Youtube VS. He doesn't work for the CIA, unlike every Western media outlet.
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« Reply #19724 on: Today at 07:14:54 PM »
What is likely, VS, is that United States would interfere in Ukranian politics. Sponsor an illegal coup against the government there. Arm Russo phobic militants & incite a civil war forcing Russia to respond with a further war with the intention of causing Russia to overextend & exhaust itself, leading Russia to collapse & be ripe for US pickings. That situation is likely VS, because that is what is happening in Ukraine. As I explained before. The US has a long history of interfering in sovereign states & overthrowing governments. It is 40 trillion in debt. In debt to over 100% of GDP. It's interest payments match it's military budget & has roughly 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities due to hit in the next 10 years. It has no way out but war. Add Venezuelan oil rights to Iranian oil rights to Russian oil rights & that should cover the debt. Alternatively it could just go quietly into the night as BRICS rises. But it doesn't appear they are going to do that.
Russia wasn?t forced into anything, they didn?t or don?t have to respond with war, there are other means of achieving a mutually acceptable outcome, through diplomacy, economic pressure, negotiations, etc. Nobody forces Russia to do anything they don?t want to do.  Putin wanted a war to big himself up, to become the conquering hero who regained historically important parts of the Russian Empire, to bolster his already enormous ego and to demonstrate his power.
As for America wanting to get involved in another country?s protracted  civil war at the cost of further hundreds of billions in the hopes of somehow getting their hands on Russian oil when they are already trillions in debt seems remarkably far fetched imo. How did that work for them in Iraq? They spent trillions on that particular war but did not seize control of Iraqi oil fields.  Most post-war oil contracts in Iraq went to European, Asian and yes Russian companies.  Your analysis is flawed.
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