Author Topic: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?  (Read 292098 times)

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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #990 on: March 22, 2016, 02:13:42 PM »
Ah well ....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #991 on: March 22, 2016, 02:45:23 PM »
Martin Smith once believed he might have seen Gerry.

He no longer does.

His wife Mary, also, once believed she might have seen Gerry.

She no longer does.

That's why both produced efits.

In answer to AP

The investigation.

I think you should stop making unverified assertions ferryman. You are unable to produce any evidence that Martin Smith changed his opinion and you are unable to produce any evidence as to who produced the e-fits.
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #992 on: March 22, 2016, 02:51:32 PM »
I think you should stop making unverified assertions ferryman. You are unable to produce any evidence that Martin Smith changed his opinion and you are unable to produce any evidence as to who produced the e-fits.

The efit is evidence.

In fact, it's more than that.

It's irrefutable proof.

Martin Smith has changed his mind.

So has his wife, Mary.

The Smiths' children have not changed their minds.

None ever believed they had seen Gerry.

They still don't.

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #993 on: March 22, 2016, 03:03:36 PM »
Martin Smith once believed he might have seen Gerry.

He no longer does.

His wife Mary, also, once believed she might have seen Gerry.

She no longer does.

That's why both produced efits.

In answer to AP

The investigation.


Presumably  by "the investigation" you mean the efits were produced for the Portuguese police? there being no other official investigation.
Did the Smiths return to Portugal to produce the efits? or did the Portuguese police visit Ireland? or did the Portuguese police use a proxy agency? if the latter which agency?
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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #994 on: March 22, 2016, 03:06:28 PM »
Presumably  by "the investigation" you mean the efits were produced for the Portuguese police? there being no other official investigation.
Did the Smiths return to Portugal to produce the efits? or did the Portuguese police visit Ireland? or did the Portuguese police use a proxy agency? if the latter which agency?

The efits were produced by the McCanns' private investigators.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #995 on: March 22, 2016, 03:08:21 PM »
The efits were produced by the McCanns' private investigators.

Ah I see; so naff all to do with the kosher investigation then.
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #996 on: March 22, 2016, 03:10:01 PM »
The efit is evidence.

In fact, it's more than that.

It's irrefutable proof.

Martin Smith has changed his mind.

So has his wife, Mary.

The Smiths' children have not changed their minds.

None ever believed they had seen Gerry.

They still don't.

As you don't know who was involved in producing the e-fits your conclusions are false. For all you know it wasn't Martin and Mary Smith who helped produce them, it could have been two of the other family members.
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #997 on: March 22, 2016, 03:12:02 PM »
From the statements that we read on line, the two most observant witnesses of what the family saw were Martin and his daughter Aofe.

We don't see Mary Smith's statement.

The press confirms the efits to have been Martin and Mary.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #998 on: March 22, 2016, 03:16:53 PM »
Isn't there an FOI response, or similar, that the e-fits were produced by two members of the "Irish family"?  Which narrows it to the Smiths, but no further.

Then there is the Daily Telegraph, which ascribes the e-fits to Martin and Mary.  Trouble is the DT also asserts that there is only one fact in the case that we can be sure of.  And that is the alarm was raised at 10.14pm.

The records show the first call to the GNR was 10.41pm.  And the records are stuffed with many more facts, no matter what the DT asserts.

Trust 'Martin and Mary', source DT, at your peril.  Might be, might not.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #999 on: March 22, 2016, 03:36:34 PM »
Isn't there an FOI response, or similar, that the e-fits were produced by two members of the "Irish family"?  Which narrows it to the Smiths, but no further.

Then there is the Daily Telegraph, which ascribes the e-fits to Martin and Mary.  Trouble is the DT also asserts that there is only one fact in the case that we can be sure of.  And that is the alarm was raised at 10.14pm.

The records show the first call to the GNR was 10.41pm.  And the records are stuffed with many more facts, no matter what the DT asserts.

Trust 'Martin and Mary', source DT, at your peril.  Might be, might not.


Thanks for that, Shining.

However it remains a valid source.  Particularly as there has been no demand for it to be rescinded, and as we know Martin Smith does not take kindly to being misrepresented in the press.
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1000 on: March 22, 2016, 03:39:51 PM »
From the statements that we read on line, the two most observant witnesses of what the family saw were Martin and his daughter Aofe.

We don't see Mary Smith's statement.

The press confirms the efits to have been Martin and Mary.

Still nothing convincing, sorry.
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1001 on: March 22, 2016, 03:42:20 PM »
Still nothing convincing, sorry.

Ah well ....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1002 on: March 22, 2016, 04:16:40 PM »
The efit is evidence.

In fact, it's more than that.

It's irrefutable proof.

Martin Smith has changed his mind.

So has his wife, Mary.

The Smiths' children have not changed their minds.

None ever believed they had seen Gerry.

They still don't.

Not so. He wasn't 100% it was Gerry because it was dark when he saw the man.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1003 on: March 22, 2016, 05:38:10 PM »
Not so. He wasn't 100% it was Gerry because it was dark when he saw the man.

Martin Smith was never completely certain he'd seen Gerry.

That point is not in dispute (so far as I'm aware).

Unsure what you are driving at?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #1004 on: March 22, 2016, 07:00:23 PM »
Martin Smith was never completely certain he'd seen Gerry.

That point is not in dispute (so far as I'm aware).

Unsure what you are driving at?

Have you read his signed statement?

This is the start of it and it hasn't changed to our knowledge.

"I hereby declare that this statement is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and that I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I will be liable to prosecution if i state in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true." MS
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.