Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[pegasus]

I have previously given you six independent witnesses who put the whole group away from the Tapas at the time of the Smith sighting.

Yes, what if the rush from the table is 4 minutes before the smith sighting?

[Alfred R Jones]

I have previously given you six independent witnesses who put the whole group away from the Tapas at the time of the Smith sighting.

so the alarm was raised how much earlier than the Smith sighting according to these independent witnesses?

[pegasus]

If smithman was carrying missing child and came straight from apartment, he left apartment only 3 minutes before passing the irish group. It's only 375 metres. For example if smith sighting was at 10, man leaves apartment at 9.57.

[mercury]

Answering the OP again

- a newspaper printed that he had
- Smith was not quoted so we don't know how the newspaper knew that he had stressed he didn't think it could have been GM he saw (if indeed he did)
- if he did there is no way of knowing if he did really change his mind - perhaps he didn't want the hassle and told x y z what they wanted to hear
- its not impossible what the newspaper printed was a fabrication, history proves this and indeed, Smith has received apologies in the past for exactly this

[Mr Gray]

Answering the OP again

- a newspaper printed that he had
- Smith was not quoted so we don't know how the newspaper knew that he had stressed he didn't think it could have been GM he saw (if indeed he did)
- if he did there is no way of knowing if he did really change his mind - perhaps he didn't want the hassle and told x y z what they wanted to hear
- its not impossible what the newspaper printed was a fabrication, history proves this and indeed, Smith has received apologies in the past for exactly this

who cares...he didn't see the mans face anyway...and SY have ruled the mccanns out

[Alfred R Jones]

If smithman was carrying missing child and came straight from apartment, he left apartment only 3 minutes before passing the irish group. It's only 375 metres. For example if smith sighting was at 10, man leaves apartment at 9.57.

What time wasthe Smith sighting?

[Alfred R Jones]

Yes, what if the rush from the table is 4 minutes before the smith sighting?

So they all rush to the apartment, one of them picks up a dead body and rushes away to the site of the Smith sighting with it...? &%+((£

[pathfinder73]

So they all rush to the apartment, one of them picks up a dead body and rushes away to the site of the Smith sighting with it...? &%+((£

It would have to be hidden somewhere else away from the crime scene before being moved a second time and seen by the Smiths.

[Brietta]

It would have to be hidden somewhere else away from the crime scene before being moved a second time and seen by the Smiths.

He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm


It was ritually important to close the eyes quickly, being that they are the first to rigidify in rigor mortis, and it was thought that a corpse with open eyes posed a threat to its kin. As has long been the case in many cultures, they used coins to keep the corpse's eyes closed. The practice of using coins endures, representing a feeling that money, so important in life, may also be important in death.
http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html#ixzz41VWOzQxg


Nothing unusual about the pale child being carried was noticed by any of the three whose statements we have read.
Suggesting that there was nothing unusual and that she was not dead as you imagine, but sleeping.

[faithlilly]

He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm


It was ritually important to close the eyes quickly, being that they are the first to rigidify in rigor mortis, and it was thought that a corpse with open eyes posed a threat to its kin. As has long been the case in many cultures, they used coins to keep the corpse's eyes closed. The practice of using coins endures, representing a feeling that money, so important in life, may also be important in death.
http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html#ixzz41VWOzQxg


Nothing unusual about the pale child being carried was noticed by any of the three whose statements we have read.
Suggesting that there was nothing unusual and that she was not dead as you imagine, but sleeping.

Tell me Brietta how you would know the difference ?

[pathfinder73]

He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm


It was ritually important to close the eyes quickly, being that they are the first to rigidify in rigor mortis, and it was thought that a corpse with open eyes posed a threat to its kin. As has long been the case in many cultures, they used coins to keep the corpse's eyes closed. The practice of using coins endures, representing a feeling that money, so important in life, may also be important in death.
http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html#ixzz41VWOzQxg


Nothing unusual about the pale child being carried was noticed by any of the three whose statements we have read.
Suggesting that there was nothing unusual and that she was not dead as you imagine, but sleeping.

Common sense dear. If they couldn't see his face clearly in the dark then they wouldn't notice her tiny eyelids.  The child's eyes would be facing down on his shoulder and in the opposite direction when he was heading towards them.

[misty]

Common sense dear. If they couldn't see his face clearly in the dark then they wouldn't notice her tiny eyelids.  The child's eyes would be facing down on his shoulder and in the opposite direction when he was heading towards them.

One wonders how any of them saw her eyes at all, as her hair had probably flopped forward, covering most of the side of her face.

[pathfinder73]

One wonders how any of them saw her eyes at all, as her hair had probably flopped forward, covering most of the side of her face.

They didn't need to see her eyes to know she was out for the count.

[misty]

They didn't need to see her eyes to know she was out for the count.

Two of them said they saw her eyelids closed. Why say that if they were merely making an assumption from the child's body position?

[pathfinder73]

Two of them said they saw her eyelids closed. Why say that if they were merely making an assumption from the child's body position?

That would have to be confirmed but it's obvious to know the difference.

"She appeared to be sleeping. Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck. She did not see the child's face because she was lying against the individual's left shoulder in a vertical position against the individual." AS