Author Topic: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?  (Read 292072 times)

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Offline faithlilly

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #420 on: March 04, 2016, 11:19:06 PM »
So the point established that Martin Smith has changed his mind, we morph back to (yet more) theMcCannsdunit conspiracy theory.

Most odd ....

Nothing has been established. Martin Smith was directly quoted as saying that nothing had changed since he first gave his statements to the police.
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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #421 on: March 04, 2016, 11:36:59 PM »
I'm actually on your side on this Brietta.
IMO it's obvious the smith sighting was not of GM and was not of MM.
Very obvious because the man they saw was wearing white or cream trousers, and the girl they saw was wearing long sleeved top.
The sighting has nothing to do with the case IMO.

It would be interesting to know if the files held by the police precisely match what we read on line.

I don't take it for granted that they do ....

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #422 on: March 05, 2016, 09:00:39 AM »
I suppose one person's great is another person's depressing ....

Offline Brietta

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #423 on: March 05, 2016, 09:25:05 AM »
I'm actually on your side on this Brietta.
IMO it's obvious the smith sighting was not of GM and was not of MM.
Very obvious because the man they saw was wearing white or cream trousers, and the girl they saw was wearing long sleeved top.
The sighting has nothing to do with the case IMO.

The Smith sighting has gained the notoriety it has because of a very nebulous connection made to Madeleine's father.

The Amaral investigation gave it little weight or attention as far as the missing child herself was concerned; the Rebelo investigation gave it no weight as far as the investigation into the 'prime suspect' was concerned.
Just another coincidence of this sighting is that Murat, who had just been made an arguido was definitely 'ruled out' by Mr Smith; while McCann, who had just been made an arguido was nebulously 'ruled in'.

Both statements were made while Amaral was co-ordinator of the case ... which raises interesting speculation as to what might have been made of Mr Smith and the event which "triggered" the addition to his statement and "showing his full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events." Paiva if Amaral had not been sacked and someone who could see further than the end of his nose appointed in his stead.

Whether or not Martin Smith has changed his opinion is a total irrelevance.

The people who matter have concentrated on the original alleged sighting by a family of nine;  three of whom have statements in the public domain.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #424 on: March 05, 2016, 09:45:30 AM »
The Smith sighting has gained the notoriety it has because of a very nebulous connection made to Madeleine's father.

The Amaral investigation gave it little weight or attention as far as the missing child herself was concerned; the Rebelo investigation gave it no weight as far as the investigation into the 'prime suspect' was concerned.
Just another coincidence of this sighting is that Murat, who had just been made an arguido was definitely 'ruled out' by Mr Smith; while McCann, who had just been made an arguido was nebulously 'ruled in'.

Both statements were made while Amaral was co-ordinator of the case ... which raises interesting speculation as to what might have been made of Mr Smith and the event which "triggered" the addition to his statement and "showing his full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events." Paiva
I would have classed it as a non-event.

Whether or not Martin Smith has changed his opinion is a total irrelevance.

The people who matter have concentrated on the original alleged sighting by a family of nine;  three of whom have statements in the public domain.

If 'the people who matter' had concentrated on the 'original alleged sighting' no e-fits would have been released.

The e-fits were created after the original statements were made; between April and November 2008. The investigation into the Smith sighting has moved on from where it was when the PJ investigation was archived.

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Offline Brietta

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #425 on: March 05, 2016, 10:42:19 AM »
What CCTV footage? The one the PJ missed wouldn't have got his face. Smithman kept his head down.

" It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him." MS

You have misunderstood my point.

You know there was no CCTV coverage ... I know there was no CCTV coverage ... and latterly Mr Amaral discovered at a later date that there was no CCTV coverage.

That was something that anyone wishing to provide an alibi for themselves by dashing here there and everywhere could not know.

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As far as identifying a human being carrying a burden by making comparison with another human being carrying a burden looking down goes ... I think is an absolute non-starter.
You are clutching at straws here.
It is possible to identify a well known gait ... the head inclination thing???  Doesn't work for me.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #426 on: March 05, 2016, 10:54:34 AM »
Nothing has been established. Martin Smith was directly quoted as saying that nothing had changed since he first gave his statements to the police.

Nothing has been established. Martin Smith was directly quoted as saying that nothing had changed since he first gave his statements to the police.

You actually think Martin Smith would have produced an efit of a man he thought was Gerry?

You probably do.

You actually think that Martin Smith's wife, Mary, on record as stating (long after the files were released) that they stand ready to help the McCanns in any way they can, is (now) at loggerheads with her husband, who persists in believing that the man he and his family saw that night was Gerry?

You probably do.

You actually dismiss the inference of plain common sense that in giving voice to the disagreement (of all his children) in his statement to the Irish Gardia police at the end of January 2008, Mr Smith was prepared to entertain contrary opinion (to his own, held then!) that the man might not be Gerry?

You probably do.

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stephen25000

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #427 on: March 05, 2016, 11:08:40 AM »
You actually think Martin Smith would have produced an efit of a man he thought was Gerry?

You probably do.

You actually think that Martin Smith's wife, Mary, on record as stating (long after the files were released) that they stand ready to help the McCanns in any way they can, is (now) at loggerheads with her husband, who persists in believing that the man he and his family saw that night was Gerry?

You probably do.

You actually dismiss the inference of plain common sense that in giving voice to the disagreement (of all his children) in his statement to the Irish Gardia police at the end of January 2008, Mr Smith was prepared to entertain contrary opinion (to his own, held then!) that the man might not be Gerry?

You probably do.

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..........and in common sense terms, if Mr. Smith's sighting has no value, why do you and your fellow supporters seem so concerned about it ?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #428 on: March 05, 2016, 11:30:28 AM »
..........and in common sense terms, if Mr. Smith's sighting has no value, why do you and your fellow supporters seem so concerned about it ?

I was about to post something in a similar vein.
"Probably the finest professional police force in the world" remain, I believe, interested in eliminating him from their enquiries. Well they were in October 2013..............have they publicised any change in that position do we know?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #429 on: March 05, 2016, 12:23:50 PM »
Let's face it, there is no evidence MS changed his mind apart from a repeated (Discredited according to the supports) article in a news paper. 
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #430 on: March 05, 2016, 12:27:25 PM »
Let's face it, there is no evidence MS changed his mind apart from a repeated (Discredited according to the supports) article in a news paper.

I must say, I have always thought it strange that he never came out publicly and said so. As far as it goes officially then he HASN'T CHANGED HIS MIND.

ps  sorry Slarti. Posted in your post by mistake.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #431 on: March 05, 2016, 12:54:31 PM »
..........and in common sense terms, if Mr. Smith's sighting has no value, why do you and your fellow supporters seem so concerned about it ?

total jumbled reasoning....no one is concerned about the smith sighting because it wasn't Gerry......

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #432 on: March 05, 2016, 12:58:01 PM »
Let's face it, there is no evidence MS changed his mind apart from a repeated (Discredited according to the supports) article in a news paper.

The only thing discredited is the report of The Times insight team (Heidi and Blake).

The McCanns took the paper to the cleaners for that article.

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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #433 on: March 05, 2016, 01:21:22 PM »
..........and in common sense terms, if Mr. Smith's sighting has no value, why do you and your fellow supporters seem so concerned about it ?

No value?

The Smiths might have seen Madeleine's abductor.

stephen25000

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #434 on: March 05, 2016, 01:24:52 PM »
No value?

The Smiths might have seen Madeleine's abductor.

The mantra yet again

...................... ad infinitum.