Author Topic: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?  (Read 313630 times)

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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #450 on: March 05, 2016, 07:26:57 PM »
So has she made another police statement then ?
I thought verbatim quotes in newspapers were allowed, or is that only when it suits you?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #451 on: March 05, 2016, 07:32:50 PM »
The only credible record we have of the Smith's opinion is their police statements.

Why let that truth obstruct anything ?
It's rather good seeing things reduced to cites similar to, "Well it said so in The Bucks Free Press so it must be right"
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #452 on: March 05, 2016, 07:37:21 PM »
I thought verbatim quotes in newspapers were allowed, or is that only when it suits you?

They certainly have more veracity than a non-direct quote but I'm afraid a police statement trumps both.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #453 on: March 05, 2016, 07:39:29 PM »
They certainly have more veracity than a non-direct quote but I'm afraid a police statement trumps both.
LOL, once again we're reduced to a game of Top Trumps.  Never mind common sense, "my police statement trumps your verbatim quote in the Irish Times, I win!!"
Pathetic.

stephen25000

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #454 on: March 05, 2016, 07:42:57 PM »
I said, from reading all the Smith Statements, that the most observant witness (so far as it is possible to judge these things from reports taken in verbatim, rather than reported, form) was Aofe (and her father).

That seemed (and seems still) a fair assessment .....

Why ?

Oh I know, it suits you sir. 

Offline Brietta

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #455 on: March 05, 2016, 07:46:43 PM »
The PJ no doubt took Mr Smiths addition to his statement on board ... that the relatively leak free Rebelo investigation took it no further suggests they were as convinced as his family had been by it.

Whatever other witnesses had imparted should also have been looked at by those trained to do so ... what other way is there to solve a case?
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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #456 on: March 05, 2016, 07:47:05 PM »
From the statements we read on-line who, aside from Aofe or her father, was a more observant witness witness of what the Smiths saw?

My guess would be Mr Smith's wife but, of course, we don't see her statement.

Offline Brietta

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #457 on: March 05, 2016, 08:00:07 PM »
From the statements we read on-line who, aside from Aofe or her father, was a more observant witness witness of what the Smiths saw?

My guess would be Mr Smith's wife but, of course, we don't see her statement.

I'm not even sure such a statement exists.

There is no record of Mrs Smith making a statement in Portugal, nor I think would she have since no-one remembered what they had seen until a fortnight later when they were no longer in Portugal. 
Nor is there a record of a statement given to the Guards subsequently being passed to the PJ for it to be placed in the files nor is there any reference to her statement in the files or a formal request from the PJ for one.
The only reference is that she was stated to be unwilling to change her statement.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #458 on: March 05, 2016, 08:09:19 PM »
I'm not even sure such a statement exists.

There is no record of Mrs Smith making a statement in Portugal, nor I think would she have since no-one remembered what they had seen until a fortnight later when they were no longer in Portugal. 
Nor is there a record of a statement given to the Guards subsequently being passed to the PJ for it to be placed in the files nor is there any reference to her statement in the files or a formal request from the PJ for one.
The only reference is that she was stated to be unwilling to change her statement.

Somewhere there is an index of all statements made (including statements that don't appear on line) and that may include a record of a statement given by Mrs Smith.

I don't know, though ....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #459 on: March 05, 2016, 08:22:30 PM »
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It's common to use the word 'THEY' when you don't know a person's name or sex. 

For example:

Child:  Mum there's someone at the door for you.
Mum:   Who is it?
Child:   I don't know.
Mum:  Well tell them THEY will have to come back later - I'm busy now.
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It's something everyone does - we just don't notice it.

Or they do mean 'they';


During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #460 on: March 05, 2016, 09:25:46 PM »
Somewhere there is an index of all statements made (including statements that don't appear on line) and that may include a record of a statement given by Mrs Smith.

I don't know, though ....

May ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #461 on: March 05, 2016, 10:40:06 PM »
We can be sure that the Smiths never phoned the police (on May 3rd)!

Offline mercury

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #462 on: March 06, 2016, 12:23:32 AM »
May ?

Id like to see this list which isnt in the files also...how did I miss this post

Quote from: ferryman on March 05, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Somewhere there is an index of all statements made (including statements that don't appear on line) and that may include a record of a statement given by Mrs Smith.

I don't know, though ....
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Offline Benice

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #463 on: March 06, 2016, 07:46:31 AM »
Or they do mean 'they';


During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

I don't see any connection between what Kate said in a state of panic a few minutes after finding Madeleine had disappeared - and her ensuing thoughts when Madeleine wasn't found -  on what could have happened to her and why  - the following day.

Two completely separate and unconnected events IMO.



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Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #464 on: March 06, 2016, 09:17:55 AM »
Id like to see this list which isnt in the files also...how did I miss this post

Quote from: ferryman on March 05, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Somewhere there is an index of all statements made (including statements that don't appear on line) and that may include a record of a statement given by Mrs Smith.

I don't know, though ....

The only reason to think Mrs Smith made any statement is the comment by the Irish policeman that she didn't wish to make another one. She didn't attend when the other three made their first statements so it's unlikely she ever made one. Perhaps he just assumed she had.

Here is the link to the missing pages lists;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm
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