Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[pathfinder73]

Are you saying that she didn't hear a rumpus outside until she'd finished watching the News at 10?

That's what her statement says.

"During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30."

[pathfinder73]

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?   

The very detectives whom you yourself state weren't born yesterday don't have a problem with the timelines.   That should tell you something.   Unless of course you believe there is a huge conspiratorial  bluff in progress and the PJ/ SY are suddenly going to pounce on the McCanns and arrest them.   If so - don't hold your breath.

 

I can rip it apart so they will. SY have told you the timeline is crucial. If you don't know that by now that's your problem.

[Carana]

That's what her statement says.

"During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30."

I don't see any mention of having watched the news in that statement.

[pathfinder73]

"When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCann apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

A friend of Mrs Fenn told The Daily Express last night:

"She remembers the times because she was talking to a friend back home on the phone and she was watching the news at 10.30pm.

"On the night Madeleine disappeared the first she knew of it was when there was a commotion downstairs.

"She looked over the balcony and saw the child's mother. She was in a state of panic. She was repeatedly saying 'We've let her down. We've let her down.'

"All the people in their group were running in and out of the apartment. She asked someone if she should call the police and was told it had already been done."

Widow with vital clues was never questioned Daily Express (no longer available online)

BRAVERY: Mrs Fenn challenged intruder

By David Pilditch in Praia da Luz
Saturday August 18,2007

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html

[Carana]

"When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCann apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

A friend of Mrs Fenn told The Daily Express last night:

"She remembers the times because she was talking to a friend back home on the phone and she was watching the news at 10.30pm.

"On the night Madeleine disappeared the first she knew of it was when there was a commotion downstairs.

"She looked over the balcony and saw the child's mother. She was in a state of panic. She was repeatedly saying 'We've let her down. We've let her down.'

"All the people in their group were running in and out of the apartment. She asked someone if she should call the police and was told it had already been done."

Widow with vital clues was never questioned Daily Express (no longer available online)

BRAVERY: Mrs Fenn challenged intruder

By David Pilditch in Praia da Luz
Saturday August 18,2007

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html

She strenuously denied having talked to journalists.

Who was this "friend back home"?

Or was this the cousin of her hairdresser's shop assistant?

[pathfinder73]

She didn't talk to any journalists. It was a friend but the facts are correct.

[G-Unit]

I wonder what Kate would stand to gain from deliberately lying about such a thing?  Perhaps she is guilty of hyperbole, perhaps she thought that's what her friends were doing when in reality they were simply mooching around outside gazing at the stars, maybe some random people actually were asked to call the police but being Portuguese speakers didn't understand what they were being asked.  Or maybe they understood but did nothing, and felt too guilty to admit doing nothing, etc etc etc. Not that any of this matters a tiny jot but carry on worrying about it if you've nothing better to do.

I quoted Kate McCann's account of what her friends did. There's not one person who agreed with her. You have made some suggestions as to why, but they're just excuses which you have made up as per usual. How do you expect me to answer excuses which you have made up? Make some up of my own? Try giving me some facts and I will be able to answer you.

[Carana]

She didn't talk to any journalists. It was a friend but the facts are correct.

Which friend?

[ferryman]

She [Mrs Fenn] strenuously denied having talked to journalists.

Who was this "friend back home"?

Or was this the cousin of her hairdresser's shop assistant?

I think it's important to link in the hairdresser's shop assistant.

The sequence of event:

Mrs Fenn blabs to hairdresser.

Hairdresser blabs to the rest of the world.

Rest of the world descends on Mrs Fenn (eager for the follow-up story).

Mrs Fenn, aghast, and realising the (potential) implications of breaching Portuguese secrecy laws, clams up and denies saying anything.

No doubt stern words between and Mrs Fenn and said hairdresser (and Mrs Fenn probably took her custom elsewhere).

Something I hadn't realised until quite late on is that Mrs Fenn was interviewed by Joao Carlos, whom I've long regarded as one of the more honest PJ officers engaged in the shelved enquiry.   

[ferryman]

She didn't talk to any journalists. It was a friend but the facts are correct.

For once, I agree with Pathfinder.

I think the facts (of Mrs Fenn's statement) probably are correct.

[Alfred R Jones]

I quoted Kate McCann's account of what her friends did. There's not one person who agreed with her. You have made some suggestions as to why, but they're just excuses which you have made up as per usual. How do you expect me to answer excuses which you have made up? Make some up of my own? Try giving me some facts and I will be able to answer you.

They were not excuses, they were suggestions including the suggestion that she had been given to hyperbole.  You seemed only to consider this option, how strange.

Anyway, Who disagreed with Kate then?

[Carana]

I think it's important to link in the hairdresser's shop assistant.

The sequence of event:

Mrs Fenn blabs to hairdresser.

Hairdresser blabs to the rest of the world.

Rest of the world descends on Mrs Fenn (eager for the follow-up story).

Mrs Fenn, aghast, and realising the (potential) implications of breaching Portuguese secrecy laws, clams up and denies saying anything.

No doubt stern words between and Mrs Fenn and said hairdresser (and Mrs Fenn probably took her custom elsewhere).

Something I hadn't realised until quite late on is that Mrs Fenn was interviewed by Joao Carlos, whom I've long regarded as one of the more honest PJ officers engaged in the shelved enquiry.

I have no problem with João Carlos as such.

I do find it odd that no one in the PJ appears to have interviewed Mrs Fenn until late ish August, after she'd appeared in the media.

I have no reason to think that she blabbed personally to the media, but her hairdresser appears to have done (cf Chile TV programme).

[mercury]

The only reason to think Mrs Smith made any statement is the comment by the Irish policeman that she didn't wish to make another one. She didn't attend when the other three made their first statements so it's unlikely she ever made one. Perhaps he just assumed she had.

Here is the link to the missing pages lists;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

Oh I see. I was aware of this , I just didnt link it to FMs post...which I wrongly thought was sme hdden list on the internet! My bad.

Well, alot of statements are not in the files that were taken by the Leicester Police, There were only the Smith statements in Ireland and you would  have thought all of them would be included...as only Mrs Smiths seems to be missing....who knows

[pegasus]

It's ridiculous to base an investigation on unenclosed carrying sightings.
Sit down for 10 minutes with a coffee, and ask yourself seriously - would any perp even mega low IQ be so utterly stupid?

[slartibartfast]

It's ridiculous to base an investigation on unenclosed carrying sightings.
Sit down for 10 minutes with a coffee, and ask yourself seriously - would any perp even mega low IQ be so utterly stupid?

Since you appear to be saying that an open carry is obviously innocent then it is the perfect way to do it when not innocent.