Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Since you appear to be saying that an open carry is obviously innocent then it is the perfect way to do it when not innocent.

It is far from perfect, especially if you're the father of the child to whom the body belongs, considering you will be plastered on international news bulletins within 24 hours.

[faithlilly]

It is far from perfect, especially if you're the father of the child to whom the body belongs, considering you will be plastered on international news bulletins within 24 hours.

So there was TWO innocent fathers, all most identical in appearance, carrying a child around PDL who looked very similar to Madeleine that night. Is that what you think ?

[ferryman]

A father who looked similar to Madeleine?  Now there's a novelty .....

[Alice Purjorick]

So there was TWO innocent fathers, all most identical in appearance, carrying a child around PDL who looked very similar to Madeleine that night. Is that what you think ?

Oh no! not Whicker Island again.


Commenting on the Crimewatch documentary which was broadcast on Monday night he [Mr Smith] added: “The only new thing in the investigation is the elimination of Jane Tanner’s sighting.

“Apart from that from our point of view everything else remains the same in relation to what we said to the police and the media at the time. We have nothing more to add.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328

[Alfred R Jones]

So there was TWO innocent fathers, all most identical in appearance, carrying a child around PDL who looked very similar to Madeleine that night. Is that what you think ?

There was a night crèche wasn't there?  How many kids were in the night crèche that night?  Say there were 6 (you probably know the exact number, I don't not having yet sat my McCann A-Level).  Say half of the 6 were girls.  That's 3 young girls asleep in a night crèche.  Given that their parents are likely to be holiday makers staying in PdL without cars, then that's 3 girls that need to be collected and taken back to their holiday apartments.  This would mean carrying them.  Dads rather than mums tend to do the carrying in such circumstances.  That means there would have been not 2 but 3 young girls being carried home that evening by their dads potentially, maybe more if there were more girls sleeping in the night crèche that night.  PJs for young girls tend to be pink.  What more can I say?

[ferryman]

From the article:

He [Martin Smith] helped compile e-fits a year later

That would be May 2008.

After (originally) refusing to produce an efit at the end of January 2008.

So Martin Smith became convinced of his error (in assuming the man was Gerry) and agreed to produce the efit sooner than I thought.

Anyone who thinks differently (about Martin Smith changing his mind) still has to answer the question.

Why would Martin Smith produce an efit of a man he thought was Gerry?

[faithlilly]

Oh no! not Whicker Island again.


Commenting on the Crimewatch documentary which was broadcast on Monday night he [Mr Smith] added: “The only new thing in the investigation is the elimination of Jane Tanner’s sighting.

“Apart from that from our point of view everything else remains the same in relation to what we said to the police and the media at the time. We have nothing more to add.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328

I posted this some time back Alice. Kind of knocks the 'Smith changed his opinion' school of thought on the head.......or should do !

[ferryman]

I posted this some time back Alice. Kind of knocks the 'Smith changed his opinion' school of thought on the head.......or should do !

Dream on.

[faithlilly]

There was a night crèche wasn't there?  How many kids were in the night crèche that night?  Say there were 6 (you probably know the exact number, I don't not having yet sat my McCann A-Level).  Say half of the 6 were girls.  That's 3 young girls asleep in a night crèche.  Given that their parents are likely to be holiday makers staying in PdL without cars, then that's 3 girls that need to be collected and taken back to their holiday apartments.  This would mean carrying them.  Dads rather than mums tend to do the carrying in such circumstances.  That means there would have been not 2 but 3 young girls being carried home that evening by their dads potentially, maybe more if there were more girls sleeping in the night crèche that night.  PJs for young girls tend to be pink.  What more can I say?

So two almost identically dressed fathers were carrying two almost identical looking young girls, both with their feet uncovered, around PDL that night. Two fathers without a buggy. Do you really believe that ?

[pathfinder73]

There was a night crèche wasn't there?  How many kids were in the night crèche that night?  Say there were 6 (you probably know the exact number, I don't not having yet sat my McCann A-Level).  Say half of the 6 were girls.  That's 3 young girls asleep in a night crèche.  Given that their parents are likely to be holiday makers staying in PdL without cars, then that's 3 girls that need to be collected and taken back to their holiday apartments.  This would mean carrying them.  Dads rather than mums tend to do the carrying in such circumstances.  That means there would have been not 2 but 3 young girls being carried home that evening by their dads potentially, maybe more if there were more girls sleeping in the night crèche that night.  PJs for young girls tend to be pink.  What more can I say?

SY would have investigated every parent at the creche. Not one matches to Smithman.

[faithlilly]

Dream on.

Not sure why you have responded in that way. Alice has posted a direct quote, which you like, stating that Martin Smith stands behind the evidence he gave in 2007. Surely that puts the thread to bed ?

[Carana]

Oh no! not Whicker Island again.


Commenting on the Crimewatch documentary which was broadcast on Monday night he [Mr Smith] added: “The only new thing in the investigation is the elimination of Jane Tanner’s sighting.

“Apart from that from our point of view everything else remains the same in relation to what we said to the police and the media at the time. We have nothing more to add.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328

"...Everything else remains the same in relation to what we said to the police and the media at the time."

He never told the media about his Gerry-doubt, did he? If not, when is "at the time"? Has he spoken to the media since the not-Murat episode?

[ferryman]

Not sure why you have responded in that way. Alice has posted a direct quote, which you like, stating that Martin Smith stands behind the evidence he gave in 2007. Surely that puts the thread to bed ?

You don't think Martin Smith would be mindful of how his change of mind might be mangled and misrepresented if he publicly owned (that he had changed his mind)?

And sharp, Carana.  Thank you.

[ferryman]

The further point is that if we assume Martin Smith is still of the same view (that the man he and his family was Gerry) then Martin Smith and his wife are now at loggerheads, as are Martin Smith and his children, none of whom believed the man was Gerry ....

All that seems highly implausible (to me) ....

[Alice Purjorick]

"...Everything else remains the same in relation to what we said to the police and the media at the time."

He never told the media about his Gerry-doubt, did he? If not, when is "at the time"? Has he spoken to the media since the not-Murat episode?

Who knows?
If however you and ferryman wish to believe Mr Smith changed his mind then so be it. The accent on the "believe" with no real evidence on which to hang your beliefs.............unless of course you have had sight of a revised statement to the police in which case do please share.