Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[Brietta]

Yep, made the same mistake as I did before.  I honed in on the center of the picture and took no notice of the outer part.  Maybe that is because of my eyesight problems, periferal vision weak?  Dunno

I see who you all mean.  When was that taken? ... and what event was that?


And now i am off to bed

Nigh night.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic19399.html
THE HARES AND HOUNDS CLUB - 1986-1987 - page 112

Even with the name underneath ... I think it looks nothing like him.

[misty]

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic19399.html
THE HARES AND HOUNDS CLUB - 1986-1987 - page 112

Even with the name underneath ... I think it looks nothing like him.

I can definitely see it's GM. Strange how one person sees an image in a totally different way to another person.
Number 786 resembles a young Edward Norton.

[Alfred R Jones]

No collusion was necessary. From each rog except Jane who wasn't there.

"Gerry said or Kate said, it's about thirty minutes since the last check, we ought to go, so that's why I think it's thirty minutes."

"Because you see within seconds it was, you know, everybody split up and did a quick, quick search in a different direction'.

"Again I wasn’t looking at the time but just thinking to what happened is that err Russell came back to table and err they’d actually cooked him a fresh steak and he was just starting to tuck into it when err Kate had obviously gone back to check on the children, came running in you know, as far as I can recollect she said you know she’s gone, Gerry, Madeleine’s gone, screaming you know.” i.e. doesn't know the time!

"‘I think it would have been about ten o’clock’, I didn’t have a watch." i.e. doesn't know the time!

"he was eating his dinner and Kate said that she you know was, must have been about five to ten then or ten o'clock, so Kate said you know, she'd go up and check, do her check and within a couple of minutes later she came back and shouting Madeleines gone." i.e. doesn't know the time!

"Kate left, I hadn't realised that she'd, you know, left the table again just busy chatting, then Kate came back just after ten o' clock, you know absolutely distraught err you know just, you know her face I'll never forget. It was a face of someone's child who had been taken and you know and very clearly said she's gone, she's you know, she's gone, you know and there was a disbelief on our face you know ah you know you must be mistaken, what, and then you know just looking at her we just all err left the table, rushed over to her and as we were walking up towards the flat she said err you know they've taken her and it was, you know, and I know there's been a controversy about what was actually said but you know that is very accurately what had been said." Claims to know the time. Guess who  &%+((£

but you believe DP is in on it!

[Alfred R Jones]

Faith and others have their own theories, theres no crime in that, what we are discussing is who definitely places GM at the Tapas Bar at exactly the tme the alarm was raised...not much if anythng at all there

I never said Faithlilly's theory was a crime (though come to think of it, it is a crime against logic and sense).

[Alfred R Jones]

but you believe .... ...... is in on it!

Absurd that I'm not even allowed to write the initials.  This forum is already chokkablock of explicit accusations and insinuations, so why remove the initials from my post?

[pathfinder73]

but you believe .... ...... is in on it!

He has to be investigated and is not ruled out. The others didn't know the time except for the one who had a watch and gave an earlier time.

[pegasus]

Witness M Smith's description of the man
"He was wearing cream or beige-coloured cloth trousers in a classic cut"
This means that anyone who was wearing blue jeans is certainly not the man M Smith saw.

[Alfred R Jones]

He has to be investigated and is not ruled out. The others didn't know the time except for the one who had a watch and gave an earlier time.

your theory is just as barmy as Faithlilly's, no offence like.  It involves paedophilia,  a violent death, one parent willing to overlook the crimes of the other parent and a friend, and who willingly covers up their crimes AND it involves the ludicrous notion of said parent parading through town with a corpse.  Puh-lease.

[pathfinder73]

your theory is just as barmy as Faithlilly's, no offence like.  It involves paedophilia,  a violent death, one parent willing to overlook the crimes of the other parent and a friend, and who willingly covers up their crimes AND it involves the ludicrous notion of said parent parading through town with a corpse.  Puh-lease.

Eddie indicated a corpse was inside the apartment. If death happened it leads to the night of 3 May and yes the many inconsistencies of that visit only hours before she disappeared could suggest a cover-up. If there was a corpse then it was removed that night and the unidentified man who the eye-witnesses think was with Madeleine is the prime and only credible suspect in this case.

p.s. I know what normally happened at 6:30. It's in their statements.

[Mr Gray]

Eddie indicated a corpse was inside the apartment. If death happened it leads to the night of 3 May and yes the many inconsistencies of that visit only hours before she disappeared could suggest a cover-up. If there was a corpse then it was removed that night and the unidentified man who the eye-witnesses think was with Madeleine is the prime and only credible suspect in this case.

p.s. I know what normally happened at 6:30. It's in their statements.

Maddie was abducted

[Brietta]

Eddie indicated a corpse was inside the apartment. If death happened it leads to the night of 3 May and yes the many inconsistencies of that visit only hours before she disappeared could suggest a cover-up. If there was a corpse then it was removed that night and the unidentified man who the eye-witnesses think was with Madeleine is the prime and only credible suspect in this case.

p.s. I know what normally happened at 6:30. It's in their statements.

Eddie 'indicated' in the garage ... there was no corpse there.
Eddie 'indicated' in the villa ... there was no corpse there.
Eddie 'indicated' all over the place in the apartment ... there was no corpse there.
Eddie 'indicated' all over the place in Haute de la Garenne ... there was no corpse there.

Eddie's indications were no doubt of interest to investigators, until they were checked out ... Eddie's documented proven alerts when a body was present did just that ... his unproven alerts could have been to anything and nothing.

As far as being evidential goes that is exactly what they are ... nothing.  Unfortunately the PJ of the time were a bit disoriented by the PR and didn't bother with the warning in the small print.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie 'indicated' in the garage ... there was no corpse there.
Eddie 'indicated' in the villa ... there was no corpse there.
Eddie 'indicated' all over the place in the apartment ... there was no corpse there.
Eddie 'indicated' all over the place in Haute de la Garenne ... there was no corpse there.

Eddie's indications were no doubt of interest to investigators, until they were checked out ... Eddie's documented proven alerts when a body was present did just that ... his unproven alerts could have been to anything and nothing.

As far as being evidential goes that is exactly what they are ... nothing.  Unfortunately the PJ of the time were a bit disoriented by the PR and didn't bother with the warning in the small print.

There doesn't have to be a corpse present for Eddie to alert to the scent. Eddie alerted to the car not the garage. Eddie alerted to the toy not the villa. Eddie alerted to clothes not the gym. Eddie alerted to the apartment not Murat's property or vehicles.

"The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's."

Mark Harrison MBE
National Search Adviser

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

Eddie indicated a corpse was inside the apartment. If death happened it leads to the night of 3 May and yes the many inconsistencies of that visit only hours before she disappeared could suggest a cover-up. If there was a corpse then it was removed that night and the unidentified man who the eye-witnesses think was with Madeleine is the prime and only credible suspect in this case.

p.s. I know what normally happened at 6:30. It's in their statements.

Perhaps you can explain why Eddie did not alert to ANY of Gerry McCann's clothes, despite the fact that you believe this individual moved a corpse at least twice, possibly 3 times?

[pathfinder73]

The dogs only examined the clothes that were present 3 months after the fact.

“At the time we had not established exactly which clothes Gerry was wearing on the night of the disappearance nor which clothes were handed in to be washed on 5th May”, says Gonçalo Amaral

“Last Saturday (05/05/2007) I received a bag of clothes brought in by Mark Warner staff, and was told expressly that these belonged to Madeleine’s family – there was adult clothing (male and female) and children’s clothing… “, states one of the laundry workers.

[Benice]

The dogs only examined the clothes that were present 3 months after the fact.

“At the time we had not established exactly which clothes Gerry was wearing on the night of the disappearance nor which clothes were handed in to be washed on 5th May”, says Gonçalo Amaral

“Last Saturday (05/05/2007) I received a bag of clothes brought in by Mark Warner staff, and was told expressly that these belonged to Madeleine’s family – there was adult clothing (male and female) and children’s clothing… “, states one of the laundry workers.

IIRC - according to Martin Grime - washing clothes - even in a washing machine doesn't remove cadaverscent.