Author Topic: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?  (Read 313658 times)

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Offline Brietta

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #945 on: March 17, 2016, 11:28:02 PM »
Grime himself acknowledges that handler-bias can influence a dog's reactions, and I know Alfred has found a study (nothing to do with Grime) where precisely that phenomenon accounted for all a dog's reactions.

Handler-bias: the findMadeleine stickers on the back of the Renault Scenic.

The disproportionate time spent in apartment 5a compared with any other apartment.

The re-examination of clothing (in the gym) present during the inspection in the villa, but not evincing any interest from Eddie.

The interest in the toy, only after it had been hidden, not while he could see it, sniff it and play with it.

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Offline mercury

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #946 on: March 17, 2016, 11:36:43 PM »
Were talking about THIS case and EDDIE not every tom dick and harry case and dog worldwide as Im sure you wouldnt want every mssng chld worldwide case to be compared as relevant

Im off now to watch my recorded question time programme (hoping osborne and supporters  are crucified therein)so you wont be bugged by me tonght anymore  but i DO look forward to you stoppng being shy posting on the new mod thread sleep well

 8)-)))

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #947 on: March 18, 2016, 07:48:35 AM »
Grime himself acknowledges that handler-bias can influence a dog's reactions, and I know Alfred has found a study (nothing to do with Grime) where precisely that phenomenon accounted for all a dog's reactions.

Handler-bias: the findMadeleine stickers on the back of the Renault Scenic.

The disproportionate time spent in apartment 5a compared with any other apartment.

The re-examination of clothing (in the gym) present during the inspection in the villa, but not evincing any interest from Eddie.

The interest in the toy, only after it had been hidden, not while he could see it, sniff it and play with it.

I would imagine that the police know more about dog handling and how they work than you do. They use dogs for all sorts of reasons and treat them with respect. No matter how much you criticise the dogs and their handler you really have no idea what value the police place on their conclusions.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #948 on: March 18, 2016, 08:18:14 AM »
I would imagine that the police know more about dog handling and how they work than you do. They use dogs for all sorts of reasons and treat them with respect. No matter how much you criticise the dogs and their handler you really have no idea what value the police place on their conclusions.

We know that SY believe Maddie may still be alive which confirms that they do not accept that the alerts signify maddies death

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #949 on: March 18, 2016, 08:26:16 AM »
I would say a fair description of the alerts are that they were inconclusive

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #950 on: March 18, 2016, 09:00:13 AM »
BHH and other sources such as the FOI show this case to be a murder investigation.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #951 on: March 18, 2016, 09:31:04 AM »
We know that SY believe Maddie may still be alive which confirms that they do not accept that the alerts signify maddies death

The team [Redwood's] is also pursuing the line of inquiry that after five years Madeleine might be dead.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #952 on: March 18, 2016, 10:37:54 AM »
The team [Redwood's] is also pursuing the line of inquiry that after five years Madeleine might be dead.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case

Given what (tragically) all too often happens to abducted children, it stands to reason that the second joint enquiry will be simultaneously pursuing the line of enquiry that Madeleine might be dead ....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #953 on: March 18, 2016, 12:33:39 PM »
The team [Redwood's] is also pursuing the line of inquiry that after five years Madeleine might be dead.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case

so what have the alerts told us...maddie might be dead...I had worked that one out myself and my sense of smell is quite average

Offline pegasus

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #954 on: March 18, 2016, 02:59:43 PM »
(snip) ... I had worked that one out myself ...  (*snip)
can you narrow that down geographically a little?

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #955 on: March 18, 2016, 04:04:58 PM »
can you narrow that down geographically a little?
QUE

Offline mercury

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #956 on: March 18, 2016, 07:07:08 PM »
Given what (tragically) all too often happens to abducted children, it stands to reason that the second joint enquiry will be simultaneously pursuing the line of enquiry that Madeleine might be dead ....

The team [Redwood's] is also pursuing the line of inquiry that after five years Madeleine might be dead.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case

He also said she may not have been alive when removed from the apartment. Now, IF the dogs figure into that line of thnking,  then it follows that his comment has zero to do with a burglary gone wrong simply for the timing element involved vis a vis cadaver scent formation
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #957 on: March 18, 2016, 07:17:52 PM »
He also said she may not have been alive when removed from the apartment. Now, IF the dogs figure into that line of thnking,  then it follows that his comment has zero to do with a burglary gone wrong simply for the timing element involved vis a vis cadaver scent formation

a very big IF.......where do the dogs figure when he says Maddie may be alive

Offline Angelo222

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #958 on: March 19, 2016, 02:28:59 PM »
We know that SY believe Maddie may still be alive which confirms that they do not accept that the alerts signify maddies death

Lets face it, SY believe many things but have nothing to substantiate any of it.  They haven't even ruled out Tannerman and as for Smithman... pah

Its like searching for a needle in a haystack but someone has hidden the haystack.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #959 on: March 19, 2016, 02:31:31 PM »
Lets face it, SY believe many things but have nothing to substantiate any of it.  They haven't even ruled out Tannerman and as for Smithman... pah

you simply dismiss anything that doesn't fit your belief