Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[pegasus]

Route suggested by a Mirror journalist. From garden gate. Past tapas reception. Behind tennis courts then down alleyway of 11 steps. Later down 6 steps to Rua Escola. Across Rua 21 Abril.

[G-Unit]

The McCanns handed the efits to the Metropolitan police and let them decide the best time to release them (the efits).

The report and the e-fits were given to Operation Grange in 2011. The McCanns never said they handed them over.

In fact it was Henri Exton who claimed he handed them over;

Former MI5 undercover operations chief Henri Exton, 62, who led the Oakley probe, said the fund took legal action to stop his team divulging its findings.

He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to confidentiality.”

It stopped him handing the report to Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange team until detectives had written permission from the fund, he added.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/347672/Maddie-Crimewatch-pictures-kept-secret-for-five-years

[ferryman]

The report and the e-fits were given to Operation Grange in 2011. The McCanns never said they handed them over.

In fact it was Henri Exton who claimed he handed them over;

Former MI5 undercover operations chief Henri Exton, 62, who led the Oakley probe, said the fund took legal action to stop his team divulging its findings.

He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to confidentiality.”

It stopped him handing the report to Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange team until detectives had written permission from the fund, he added.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/347672/Maddie-Crimewatch-pictures-kept-secret-for-five-years

That's a re-hash of the story for which The Times was sued.

Scotland Yard chose the the timing of the release of the efits (the Crimewatch programme) because they wanted its release coordinated with a live and on-going police enquiry.

That's how English police conduct criminal enquiries.

They long have.

[pegasus]

That's a re-hash of the story for which The Times was sued.

Scotland Yard chose the the timing of the release of the efits (the Crimewatch programme) because they wanted its release coordinated with a live and on-going police enquiry.

That's how English police conduct criminal enquiries.

They long have.

This efit was released with great fanfare by Mitchell in Aug 2009.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/00862/SNN0807D--380_862815a.jpg

[ferryman]

Spain.

Not Portugal.

Not at just about the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted.

There are (potentially) innocent reasons why someone might come into custody of a child they don't know has been abducted.

The Smiths might, actually, have witnessed Madeleine's abduction.

That's the difference ....

[pegasus]

Spain.

Not Portugal.

Not at just about the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted.

There are (potentially) innocent reasons why someone might come into custody of a child they don't know has been abducted.

The Smiths might, actually, have witnessed Madeleine's abduction.

That's the difference ....

Here is Mitchell releasing two efits of a man seen in Portugal, in PDL, who the PIs regarded as the most important person to be identified
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mccann-family-spokesman-clarence-mitchell-holds-two-artists-of-the-picture-id79130105

And here is a document which indicates that the efit press release was done without approval from Leics Police and without approval from the PJ?

"From: Stuart Prior
Sent: Friday, 18th January 2008 18:57
To: Dic Portimao, Ricardo Paiva
... I was informed that it was probable that the photo fit made by Gail Cooper would reach the press during the weekend. I will inform you of the consequences of this next week in spite of the fact that we are not in any way involved in this."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm#p15p4072

[ferryman]

18 January 2008, about 7 months before the first enquiry was shelved, and while it was in full swing.

That's why it was released.

And (in part) why the Smith efits, produced much later, were not released until the Crimewatch programme (by Scotland Yard, who had the efits in their possession for some considerable time before they released them).

[G-Unit]

That's a re-hash of the story for which The Times was sued.

Scotland Yard chose the the timing of the release of the efits (the Crimewatch programme) because they wanted its release coordinated with a live and on-going police enquiry.

That's how English police conduct criminal enquiries.

They long have.

The apology published by the Times, written for them by Carter Ruck;

In articles dated October 27 ("Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years" and "Investigators had E-Fits five years ago", News) we referred to efits which were included in a report prepared by private investigators for the McCanns and the Fund in 2008. We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009. We also understand that a copy of the final report including the efits was passed to the Metropolitan police in August 2011, shortly after it commenced its review. We apologise for the distress caused."
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police

The careful wording suggests that the report was not passed to the PJ and LP in 2009, just the e-fits. There is no mention of who gave both of them to the Met.
 

[stephen25000]

No we don't.

All the proof has been provided.

Get real ferryman.

Provide the proof.

[pegasus]

18 January 2008, about 7 months before the first enquiry was shelved, and while it was in full swing.

That's why it was released.

And (in part) why the Smith efits, produced much later, were not released until the Crimewatch programme (by Scotland Yard, who had the efits in their possession for some considerable time before they released them).

Yes the investigation was in full swing Ferryman so why didn't Mitchell & Co ask the Polícia Judiciária and Leics Police whether or not they wanted the cooperman photofit released?

[stephen25000]

Spain.

Not Portugal.

Not at just about the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted.

There are (potentially) innocent reasons why someone might come into custody of a child they don't know has been abducted.

The Smiths might, actually, have witnessed Madeleine's abduction.

That's the difference ....

Do you really think by the repetition of 'abduction', people will believe it ?


and I get criticizing for  repeating.

[ferryman]

Yes the investigation was in full swing Ferryman so why didn't Mitchell & Co ask the Polícia Judiciária and Leics Police whether or not they wanted the cooperman photofit released?

We're discussing the Smith sightings.

The met released the efits during the Crimewatch programme (October 2013).

The met were in receipt of the efits well before then and (themselves) chose the moment of their release ....

[pathfinder73]

We're discussing the Smith sightings.

The met released the efits during the Crimewatch programme (October 2013).

The met were in receipt of the efits well before then and (themselves) chose the moment of their release ....

They could have been released in 2008 like posh spice in 2009.

[ferryman]

So you actually think that Mary Smith (on record as saying that they want to help the McCanns in any way they can) and her husband, Martin, are at loggerheads, with Martin Smith steadfast in belief that he saw Gerry (whom he produced an efit of)?

[stephen25000]

So you actually think that Mary Smith (on record as saying that they want to help the McCanns in any way they can) and her husband, Martin, are at loggerheads, with Martin Smith steadfast in belief that he saw Gerry (whom he produced an efit of)?

How would the Smiths help the mccanns ferryman  ?