Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[faithlilly]

'... On the days right after the disappearance of Madeleine, a muffled cry that came from that location raised suspicions. "On Saturday, around half past midnight, two inspectors from the Judiciaria asked to enter my home" ...' (Source: Sol 15 Sept 2007)

So that search was on Sat 5th May.
And it resulted presumably from someone hearing a muffled cry somewhere in that building and reporting it to police.
Was it heard on Sat 5th?
Or was it heard on the night of Thu 3rd but not reported until Sat 5th?
Irish witnesses walked straight past here.

I think the answer to that is in the quote ' on the days right after ' ie not on the 3rd.

[pegasus]

I think the answer to that is in the quote ' on the days right after ' ie not on the 3rd.

How might a muffled cry on Sat 5th be relevant to a disappearance on Thu 3rd?

[faithlilly]

How might a muffled cry on Sat 5th be relevant to a disappearance on Thu 3rd?

It wouldn't.

[pegasus]

I think the answer to that is in the quote ' on the days right after ' ie not on the 3rd.

"on the days right after" is Sol's text, not a direct quote of what the lady said, therefore IMO it's possible the muffled cry was heard on night of 3rd but not reported until 5th. 

[mercury]

Was it a childs muffled cry? As opposed to say an adult being abused?

[pegasus]

Was it a childs muffled cry? As opposed to say an adult being abused?

It just says muffled cry, not whether child or adult Merc
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id117.html

[mercury]

It just says muffled cry, not whether child or adult Merc
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id117.html

So, no reason to think it was Madeleine I suppose and three days later in the staff quarters being muffled!! In private I presume because by then half the world had heard about her and would be a pretty dumb abductor to have her there etc etc..without any verification of this story and any half tenuous link I thnk its a no..and the tracker dogs went nowhere near there..time I went and caught up with real life

[G-Unit]

"on the days right after" is Sol's text, not a direct quote of what the lady said, therefore IMO it's possible the muffled cry was heard on night of 3rd but not reported until 5th.

Or it's just another one of those misunderstandings. The PJ went to the address, but not because of any cries, muffled or otherwise;

Diligence carried out on couple in Edificio Pedras Brancas, Luz, Lagos 2007.05.09

EXTERNAL INQUIRY REPORT

Date: 2007/05/09
Place: Edificio Pedras Brancas, no. *** - Luz - Lagos

Responsible Officers: Reis Santos, Inspector Chief, Helder Carmo and Tony Almeida

Description and result:
---At 08H30, it came to the attention of the PJ, from an individual who chose not to identify himself, that the day before yesterday (08/05/07), a couple resident at number *** Edificio Pedras Brancas ' Luz ' Lagos, had conversed, and in the middle of the conversation it appeared to him that they were discussing a child and the possibility of the Police finding her in that place;
---We immediately left for that residence indicated above;
---Upon approaching the residence in question, we were greeted by the owner identified as K*** P***** K*****, born 12/04/1968, in Scarborough ' U.K., holder of a British passport no. ******, and to whom we explained the reason for our visit. He immediately invited the PJ inspectors to enter and to carry out all necessary checks;
---In conversation with K*** K******, he confirmed having had a discussion with his wife and referred to the situation of the missing child and that she had to be found by the police in the Luz area;
---K*** ***** also informed the officers that on 02/05/2007, he was hospitalised due to a right foot fracture;
---He also identified his wife, S****** D***** R*****, - Germany, holder of a German passport, no. **********;
---We looked through the home, and nothing was found.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EXTERNAL.htm

[pathfinder73]

If you plan to abduct a child you take her far away not 200 metres down the road. That staff quarters is a non-starter. One had no choice in the matter and went to the nearest deserted safest dark place. That gamble paid off but he was seen.

[pegasus]

@GUnit the report you posted is about a search on Wed 9th May due to a conversation overheard on Tue 8th May. 

The Sol report is about an earlier search on Sat 5th May in same building due to an overheard muffled cry.

[G-Unit]

@GUnit the report you posted is about a search on Wed 9th May due to a conversation overheard on Tue 8th May. 

The Sol report is about an earlier search on Sat 5th May in same building due to an overheard muffled cry.

Of which there is no record in the official files, so did Sol make a mistake? Their report was 15th May I believe. It wouldn't be the first time a newspaper got it wrong in this case.

[pegasus]

Of which there is no record in the official files, so did Sol make a mistake? Their report was 15th May I believe. It wouldn't be the first time a newspaper got it wrong in this case.

This Sol report was Sept 15th. It states IMO that there was a search in that building on Sat 5th May due to a report of a muffled cry. Why would journalist MM invent that SS had told her this? IMO it is true.

 

[G-Unit]

This Sol report was Sept 15th. It states IMO that there was a search in that building on Sat 5th May due to a report of a muffled cry. Why would journalist MM invent that SS had told her this? IMO it is true.

There was a lot of misinformation in the media. The UK newspapers paid out a lot of money to the McCanns, in part for repeating untrue stories copied from the Portuguese press, allegedly. The PJ have no record of a muffled scream or of a visit to that building on 5th May. Why would they not record that particular diligence when they recorded the one on the 9th?

[Benice]

The fact that she would have been newsworthy at all would have made her a risky target.

But maybe not so much in Portugal Faith - as IIRC correctly the PJ policy was 'No Press'?   Quite an advantage to have IMO from the point of view of any would-be abductor(s).

 

[pegasus]

There was a lot of misinformation in the media. The UK newspapers paid out a lot of money to the McCanns, in part for repeating untrue stories copied from the Portuguese press, allegedly. The PJ have no record of a muffled scream or of a visit to that building on 5th May. Why would they not record that particular diligence when they recorded the one on the 9th?

There are many diligences and details not in the published files GUnit. For example the 9th May search is in the published files (although omitting the fact that british police were included), but another search at same building 2 weeks later is not in the published files.