Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".

[ShiningInLuz]

your statement is so ridiculous......How many mothers do you know who do not love their children... I don't know any...as I said it is genetically programmed

How many mothers convicted of infanticide have to be dredged up before you manage to see the truth?

[Erngath]

Maybe it's because they loved their kids and wanted them to have a nice time i. the sun too?  Crazy thought I know!

Amazing isn't it. It's so dreadful to take your children with you on holiday and use the facilities for children to have fun and share their time with other children, but would be so much better to leave them at home with relatives. Small children would fret at being away from their parents for a whole week, but some seem to think it is much more fretful for them to be apart from their parents for an hour or so.  Strange thinking IMO.

[Vicky]

Amazing isn't it. It's so dreadful to take your children with you on holiday and use the facilities for children to have fun and share their time with other children, but would be so much better to leave them at home with relatives. Small children would fret at being away from their parents for a whole week, but some seem to think it is much more fretful for them to be apart from their parents for an hour or so.  Strange thinking IMO.

If your plan is to leave the kids unattended in an unlocked apartment next to a large swimming pool and rather dangerous steps and such, then yes. It would be much better to leave them at home with relatives.

The creche part is nothing, until you couple it with also leaving the kids on a nighttime to have more adult fun...

[Mr Gray]

How many mothers convicted of infanticide have to be dredged up before you manage to see the truth?

to see what truth...perhaps YOU dont understand the truth....I would say that many mothers who commit infanticide are mentally disturbed and that the percentage of mothers who do not love their children is absolutely tiny

[Alfred R Jones]

But they were in the creche pretty much all day everyday, then alone at night? Thats not a family holiday

in you opinion however I think you'll find that their holiday was marketed as a family holiday and that kids clubs and creches exist to cater for families.  You may be one of those parents who can't bear to be separated from their children for more than 10 seconds but not everyone is the same, it doesn't mean the parents don't love and care for their kids.  Where do you stand on working mothers whose kids spend all day in nurseries?  Less in love with their kids than those who spend all day drudging at home for them I bet!

[Mr Gray]

If your plan is to leave the kids unattended in an unlocked apartment next to a large swimming pool and rather dangerous steps and such, then yes. It would be much better to leave them at home with relatives.

The creche part is nothing, until you couple it with also leaving the kids on a nighttime to have more adult fun...

this has already been discussed several years ago

[Vicky]

in you opinion however I think you'll find that their holiday was marketed as a family holiday and that kids clubs and creches exist to cater for families.  You may be one of those parents who can't bear to be separated from their children for more than 10 seconds but not everyone is the same, it doesn't mean the parents don't love and care for their kids.  Where do you stand on working mothers whose kids spend all day in nurseries?  Less in love with their kids than those who spend all day drudging at home for them I bet!

OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...

[Vicky]

this has already been discussed several years ago

Great. I only started reading the forum last night though so as such I am pretty much starting from scratch. I don't mind if people don't answer me as they have been over the point several times before

[Mr Gray]

OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...

I understand your opinion ...but that's all it is ...your opinion and has no real value

[Vicky]

I understand your opinion ...but that's all it is ...your opinion and has no real value

Yeah, just like everyone elses  Unfortunately all there is to go on this case is opinion, as there is not a jot of evidence for any of the possible theories that have been put forward.

[Alfred R Jones]

OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...

How should a parent love their child then?  Do tell us, you seem to be the expert.

[Alfred R Jones]

OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...

what about working mothers who don't work to get by but who work because they want to, and enjoy their work and progessing in their career, and who dump their kids in nurseries in order to do so, are they generally less loving than the struggling mums in full time work IYO?

[Vicky]

How should a parent love their child then?  Do tell us, you seem to be the expert.

One way NOT to love your child though is to purposely put them in harms way and not give a crap about it. Being so selfish that you do not stop to consider what could happen, even after your child tells you they were crying for you when you weren't there the night before. To still leave them alone to go for adult time, is quite disgusting. i can't believe people are arguing that behaving in this way is perfectly fine 

[Alfred R Jones]

One way NOT to love your child though is to purposely put them in harms way and not give a crap about it. Being so selfish that you do not stop to consider what could happen, even after your child tells you they were crying for you when you weren't there the night before. To still leave them alone to go for adult time, is quite disgusting. i can't believe people are arguing that behaving in this way is perfectly fine 

Who is arguing that?  you seem to be arguing that the McCanns didn't love their kids properly, I am challenging that belief.

[Vicky]

what about working mothers who don't work to get by but who work because they want to, and enjoy their work and progessing in their career, and who dump their kids in nurseries in order to do so, are they generally less loving than the struggling mums in full time work IYO?

Depends..do they leave their kids alone in a strange and dangerous environment also so they can go out have fun? if so then...they are bad parents. In my opinion...which has been pointed out as if I didnt know..is just my opinion :)

If it helps, the mother who has been in the papers recently for leaving her 2 year old alone to work..and said 2 year old died in a fire, I think the same of her as I think of the McCanns (back then..I do believe they bother with childcare now, having learnt the hard way)