Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".

[Vicky]

Who is arguing that?  you seem to be arguing that the McCanns didn't love their kids properly, I am challenging that belief.

But my belief is held because they were selfish enough to leave Madeleine in the situation that they did. Nothing to do with creches and childcare.

[Mr Gray]

Yeah, just like everyone elses  Unfortunately all there is to go on this case is opinion, as there is not a jot of evidence for any of the possible theories that have been put forward.

there is....and the mccanns have been ruled out by SY

[Alfred R Jones]

But my belief is held because they were selfish enough to leave Madeleine in the situation that they did. Nothing to do with creches and childcare.

Erm...just now you were berating them for putting them in the kids club all day weren't you?

[G-Unit]

your statement is so ridiculous......How many mothers do you know who do not love their children... I don't know any...as I said it is genetically programmed

You have never heard of those mothers who gaze at their new baby and wait for that rush of maternal love which doesn't arrive then? You have never heard of those mothers who just feel.......nothing? what a sheltered life you must live.

Now, examples of how loving the parents were during the holiday?

[Vicky]

Erm...just now you were berating them for putting them in the kids club all day weren't you?

When it is coupled with leaving them on their own at night, it hardly adds up to being a family holiday...was more my point. But as with everything else that has been twisted now too

Yes, I said they probably should have left the kids at home if all they wanted was an adult holiday. I come to that conclusion (that they wanted an adult holiday) as they put the kids in the creche all hours, and then left them alone at night so they could go out. I do not think someone who leaves their babies alone in a dangerous position so they can go out and enjoy themselves cares very much about said children. Is this clearer?

I don't know if people actually aren't understanding me or are deliberately trying to twist my words

[Erngath]

If your plan is to leave the kids unattended in an unlocked apartment next to a large swimming pool and rather dangerous steps and such, then yes. It would be much better to leave them at home with relatives.

The creche part is nothing, until you couple it with also leaving the kids on a nighttime to have more adult fun...

I assume by "adult fun" you mean having dinner with friends.

As a "loving parent" I would never have left small children with any relative for more than two days, nor would I have ever, ever have gone back to work before my children began school even though we had to make real sacrifices to do so.
So am I a  perfect loving parent?
Do I think that anyone who has made differing choices to be a less than perfect loving parent?

[Alfred R Jones]

When it is coupled with leaving them on their own at night, it hardly adds up to being a family holiday...was more my point. But as with everything else that has been twisted now too

Yes, I said they probably should have left the kids at home if all they wanted was an adult holiday. I come to that conclusion (that they wanted an adult holiday) as they put the kids in the creche all hours, and then left them alone at night so they could go out. I do not think someone who leaves their babies alone in a dangerous position so they can go out and enjoy themselves cares very much about said children. Is this clearer?

I don't know if people actually aren't understanding me or are deliberately trying to twist my words

if the mcCanns really didn't care about their kids they would have taken themselves off out into PdL or further afield to go clubbing and boozing, they demonstrated that they cared about them by checking on them at regular intervals and sitting withing sight of their apartment.  Scoff and jeer at that as much as you like, it chamges nothing.

[jassi]

I assume by "adult fun" you mean having dinner with friends.

As a "loving parent" I would never have left small children with any relative for more than two days, nor would I have ever, ever have gone back to work before my children began school even though we had to make real sacrifices to do so.
So am I a  perfect loving parent?
Do I think that anyone who has made differing choices to be a less than perfect loving parent?

I think it went a bit further than that.

There were all those sporty activities laid on for adults as well.

[G-Unit]

When it is coupled with leaving them on their own at night, it hardly adds up to being a family holiday...was more my point. But as with everything else that has been twisted now too

Yes, I said they probably should have left the kids at home if all they wanted was an adult holiday. I come to that conclusion (that they wanted an adult holiday) as they put the kids in the creche all hours, and then left them alone at night so they could go out. I do not think someone who leaves their babies alone in a dangerous position so they can go out and enjoy themselves cares very much about said children. Is this clearer?

I don't know if people actually aren't understanding me or are deliberately trying to twist my words

They understand only too well Vicky, don't worry. 

[Mr Gray]

You have never heard of those mothers who gaze at their new baby and wait for that rush of maternal love which doesn't arrive then? You have never heard of those mothers who just feel.......nothing? what a sheltered life you must live.

Now, examples of how loving the parents were during the holiday?

Again the vast majority of mothers love their children...the human race would not survive if it didnt...a very smallnumber of mothers do feel nothing....very very very small...probably part of PND... I have had seven children so spent many hours..days...in maternity...more than most no doubt and have only seen love and joy.

[Erngath]

I think it went a bit further than that.

There were all those sporty activities laid on for adults as well.

What "sporty activities" ?
Is this some code for "adult fun"?

[Mr Gray]

if the mcCanns really didn't care about their kids they would have taken themselves off out into PdL or further afield to go clubbing and boozing, they demonstrated that they cared about them by checking on them at regular intervals and sitting withing sight of their apartment.  Scoff and jeer at that as much as you like, it chamges nothing.

exactly...the McCanns wanted a holiday where both children and adults had a good time

[jassi]

What "sporty activities" ?
Is this some code for "adult fun"?

Tennis, sailing, windsurfing - probably some others as well.

[Vicky]

I assume by "adult fun" you mean having dinner with friends.

As a "loving parent" I would never have left small children with any relative for more than two days, nor would I have ever, ever have gone back to work before my children began school even though we had to make real sacrifices to do so.
So am I a  perfect loving parent?
Do I think that anyone who has made differing choices to be a less than perfect loving parent?

I don't think there is a definition of a loving parent.

Just in my opinion, someone who can leave their children in such a dangerous position with no thought for what may happen (AND the night after one of the children told then they were crying the night before, alone) does not love their child enough to put them first.

Not sure why such a fuss has been made over this to be quite honest. Wish I had never bothered posting in the first place as everything just gets twisted and picked over by the looks of it. Hell I don't even think the parents are guilty of anything bar neglect 

[Erngath]

They understand only too well Vicky, don't worry. 

No, actually I don't understand. I can understand that people do not agree with their leaving the children in the apartment with regular checks and being in view of the apartments. What I cannot understand is the criticism of the children being in a creche where they could have fun activities and share their time with other children and why some people think it would be better to have left the children with a relative for a week.
Nor do I understand why some have to have set a criteria for love.
Most parents love their children and will do their all for them, some parents may fall short of what others expect but that does not mean those children are not loved.
I could say that because I gave up a salary for eight years to stay with my children thereby having much less money to spend that I loved my children more than others who did not make that sacrifice.
That may be my opinion but is it correct?