Slarti's Simple Solution.

[slartibartfast]

It has to be the hall door.  The Abductor wouldn't risk being seen carry a child in that street, and so close to The Ocean Club, Tapas Restaurant.
Getting in by the patio door when he was alone would have been very much easier.

That relies on...

It was really close
Being in back garden
Full view and hearing

All things to back up "responsible" parenting.

As it wasn't in easy view or within hearing distance of a noisy restaurant. The patio doors are the easiest exit.

[pathfinder73]

I think you and I both know that there was a window of opportunity, I just wanted Pathfinder to be grown up enough to admit it, but obviously I was expecting too much.

There is always a window of opportunity but it doesn't fit with the facts.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think you and I both know that there was a window of opportunity, I just wanted Pathfinder to be grown up enough to admit it, but obviously I was expecting too much.

In terms of lapsed time only there are two identifiable time slots. Ignoring any minor details like how long the job takes, where the bloke started and finished etc which involves what dear Donald  R. would call the "known unknowns" and the "unknown unknowns", assuming always that everyone was telling the truth.
Now were I doing a reconstitution of this with the original participants an essential part of my kit would be a note book, measuring tapes and a stop watch.

[Carana]

In terms of lapsed time only there are two identifiable time slots. Ignoring any minor details like how long the job takes, where the bloke started and finished etc which involves what dear Donald  R. would call the "known unknowns" and the "unknown unknowns", assuming always that everyone was telling the truth.
Now were I doing a reconstitution of this with the original participants an essential part of my kit would be a note book, measuring tapes and a stop watch.

Wouldn't forensic timeline software have those capabilities? There is forensic software that can show where and from what distance someone was shot and therefore the position of the victim at the time, so I really don't see why the police wouldn't have access to software examining a wide variety of timeline scenarios.

[Alfred R Jones]

In terms of lapsed time only there are two identifiable time slots. Ignoring any minor details like how long the job takes, where the bloke started and finished etc which involves what dear Donald  R. would call the "known unknowns" and the "unknown unknowns", assuming always that everyone was telling the truth.
Now were I doing a reconstitution of this with the original participants an essential part of my kit would be a note book, measuring tapes and a stop watch.

you forgot the magnifying glass and the deerstalker hat.

[Alice Purjorick]

Wouldn't forensic timeline software have those capabilities? There is forensic software that can show where and from what distance someone was shot and therefore the position of the victim at the time, so I really don't see why the police wouldn't have access to software examining a wide variety of timeline scenarios.

I doubt it!
The instruction to each participant is "I want you to leave here follow the same the route you followed on the night repeat what you did at the other end then return here by the route you took on the night walking at as near as you can recall the same speed" 5-4-3-2-1- go. I would not even allow them a mobile phone or watch. We will then have a time for each event as performed by the participants measured in time span by us.
Once we have that info we can bung it in a computer to do the dross quickly. The objective is to test the statements and timelines given not use them as benchmarks.

[Alice Purjorick]

you forgot the magnifying glass and the deerstalker hat.

I am more a "black brogues black wool socks with dark blue clocks them" sort of a detective 
For those on here who do literature. 

[pegasus]

There are several reasons for why the abductor would have opened the window.

So he goes in the patio door, opens the window, and goes out the wooden door?

[pegasus]

Impossible ajar is ajar half-open is half-open. (snip)

If you fully open that bedroom door what angle is it at Pathfinder?

[Carana]

I doubt it!
The instruction to each participant is "I want you to leave here follow the same the route you followed on the night repeat what you did at the other end then return here by the route you took on the night walking at as near as you can recall the same speed" 5-4-3-2-1- go. I would not even allow them a mobile phone or watch. We will then have a time for each event as performed by the participants measured in time span by us.
Once we have that info we can bung it in a computer to do the dross quickly. The objective is to test the statements and timelines given not use them as benchmarks.

I can see how that might be of use in proving that someone was lying if you were trying to work out where someone had said that they were standing during a shoot-out, but not in this type of case.

ETA: This will end up as another "reconstruction" thread, which would be a shame.

[Carana]

So he goes in the patio door, opens the window, and goes out the wooden door?

I find that to be a possibility, although it makes less sense to me than someone attempting to disguise having a key (i.e., entering and exiting via the wooden front door).

[Alice Purjorick]

I can see how that might be of use in proving that someone was lying if you were trying to work out where someone had said that they were standing during a shoot-out, but not in this type of case.

ETA: This will end up as another "reconstruction" thread, which would be a shame.

My proposition is that if one wants to find out what happened, forget names, forget anecdotes and forget blame.
Test it all and why simulate with assumed gen in a computer programme when you can measure the parameter on site?
"In every human endeavor, a critical component to our success is our ability to solve
problems. Unfortunately, we often set ourselves up to fail with our various problem solving
strategies and our inherent prejudices. We’ve typically relied on what we believe
to be common sense, storytelling, and categorizing to resolve our problems"

[Carana]

My proposition is that if one wants to find out what happened, forget names, forget anecdotes and forget blame.
Test it all and why simulate with assumed gen in a computer programme when you can measure the parameter on site?
"In every human endeavor, a critical component to our success is our ability to solve
problems. Unfortunately, we often set ourselves up to fail with our various problem solving
strategies and our inherent prejudices. We’ve typically relied on what we believe
to be common sense, storytelling, and categorizing to resolve our problems"

I understand that, and I don't have a problem with that in principle.

However....

Setting aside the Twilight Zone reconstruction in the Cipriano case:

- How are the T9 supposed to remember at what pace they walked one year later?
- What if someone orders them: "you walk more slowly" and "you walk faster"? (I doubt that Rebelo would have done that, but they weren't to know, were they?)
- JT / Jez / Gerry can't agree on where they were, so how do you work that out?
- How do you ascertain whether two men in deep conversation actually heard JT flip-flopping up the road or not?
- How do you reconstruct the precise lighting and wind conditions?
- How do you reconstruct where all the independent (non-group) witnesses were at the time so long later (including people who were primarily in the restaurant kitchen or serving other guests)?

[Alfred R Jones]

I understand that, and I don't have a problem with that in principle.

However....

Setting aside the Twilight Zone reconstruction in the Cipriano case:

- How are the T9 supposed to remember at what pace they walked one year later?
- What if someone orders them: "you walk more slowly" and "you walk faster"? (I doubt that Rebelo would have done that, but they weren't to know, were they?)
- JT / Jez / Gerry can't agree on where they were, so how do you work that out?
- How do you ascertain whether two men in deep conversation actually heard JT flip-flopping up the road or not?
- How do you reconstruct the precise lighting and wind conditions?
- How do you reconstruct where all the independent (non-group) witnesses were at the time so long later (including people who were primarily in the restaurant kitchen or serving other guests)?

I'm sure Alice and his tape measure would be able to figure it all out, don't you worry about it.

[pegasus]

I find that to be a possibility, although it makes less sense to me than someone attempting to disguise having a key (i.e., entering and exiting via the wooden front door).

So use key to go in wooden door, then open window, and go out wooden door ?