Slarti's Simple Solution.

[pegasus]

(snip) ....burglary gone wrong, and the issue of why not simply flee.

yes a burglar would flee the moment he looked into that room

[Alice Purjorick]

I understand that, and I don't have a problem with that in principle.

However....

Setting aside the Twilight Zone reconstruction in the Cipriano case:Not relevant here. Clear prejudices

- How are the T9 supposed to remember at what pace they walked one year later?Did I walk normally did I dawdle did I rush? then go with the best recollection. It may be necessary to vary the speed
- What if someone orders them: "you walk more slowly" and "you walk faster"? (I doubt that Rebelo would have done that, but they weren't to know, were they?)eventually I probably would; I doubt I'd settle for one reading
- JT / Jez / Gerry can't agree on where they were, so how do you work that out?it is not relevant to what we are trying to establish here which is time related
- How do you ascertain whether two men in deep conversation actually heard JT flip-flopping up the road or not? see above
- How do you reconstruct the precise lighting and wind conditions?see above; but in answer to your question unless someone had recorded the precise light and wind readings at the location at the time you don't even know what they were. It would be a case of best informed guess
- How do you reconstruct where all the independent (non-group) witnesses were at the time so long later (including people who were primarily in the restaurant kitchen or serving other guests)?some will be irrelevant some will be accurate some will have to be best guess but as in this instance they are only required to comment on times relating to people leaving from and returning to a specific table their precise location is unlikely to have a major impact on the result

[Alfred R Jones]

Known traffic in and around Apartment 5A between 9pm and 10pm - please fill in the gaps

9.00-9.05 Gerry McCann in apartment
9.05-9.10 - Gerry McCann in apartment (?)
9.10-9.15 - Gerry & Jez Wilkins outside apartment
9.15-9.20 - JT walks past Apartment
9.20-9.25
9.25-9.30
9.30-9.35 MO enters apartment
9.35-9.40
9.40-9.45
9.45-9.50
9.50-9.55
9.55-10.00 Kate Enters Apartment.

[Carana]

So use key to go in wooden door, then open window, and go out wooden door ?

If you wanted to disguise the fact that you had a key to the wooden (front) door, raising the shutter seems to be a plausible red herring.

[Carana]

Hard to separate all the points for the moment....

[pegasus]

"Slarti's Simple Solution. ... Sees the McCanns leaving the apartment by the patio, knows it is unlocked. Waits until they gone into the tapas...."

so just after the parents arrived at tapas - and before 7 others walked past the apartment?

[pegasus]

Hard to separate all the points for the moment....

yes for a moment I thought someone had stolen my "Things I Admire About Clarence" list.

[Alfred R Jones]

so just after the parents arrived at tapas - and before 7 others walked past the apartment?

No - must have happened after 9pm, Gerry saw Madeleine on his visit of that time.

[G-Unit]

Known traffic in and around Apartment 5A between 9pm and 10pm - please fill in the gaps

9.00-9.05 Gerry McCann in apartment
9.05-9.10 - Gerry McCann in apartment (?)
9.10-9.15 - Gerry & Jez Wilkins outside apartment
9.15-9.20 - JT walks past Apartment
9.20-9.25 Jane's time said written timeline
9.25-9.30 Said Matthew
9.30-9.35 MO enters apartment
9.35-9.40 Jane to apartment
9.40-9.45
9.45-9.50 Russell back to restaurant 9.45
9.50-9.55
9.55-10.00 Kate Enters Apartment.

My additions in bold. Then we have the Moyes at some point. It would be interesting to set Jez Wilkins off at 8.30pm (without any way to tell the time) to follow the same route he followed on the night, including his stop off at the Tapas and his wanderings around various roads. Just to see what time he arrives back near the Tapas again.

[jassi]

Seems strange that Jez, in all his wandering around, never saw anyone other than Gerry. Suggests that there wasn't anyone else around to see.

[pathfinder73]

Seems strange that Jez, in all his wandering around, never saw anyone other than Gerry. Suggests that there wasn't anyone else around to see.

Exactly so my theory will work.

[Carana]

My additions in bold. Then we have the Moyes at some point. It would be interesting to set Jez Wilkins off at 8.30pm (without any way to tell the time) to follow the same route he followed on the night, including his stop off at the Tapas and his wanderings around various roads. Just to see what time he arrives back near the Tapas again.

How on earth could he have been expected to remember where he wandered around with a sleepless baby nearlly a year later aside from the encounter with Gerry?

[Alfred R Jones]

My additions in bold. Then we have the Moyes at some point. It would be interesting to set Jez Wilkins off at 8.30pm (without any way to tell the time) to follow the same route he followed on the night, including his stop off at the Tapas and his wanderings around various roads. Just to see what time he arrives back near the Tapas again.

I'd put JT back to apartment in the 9.40-9.45 slot.  What does "said Matthew" mean?  Can we attempt to fill in the time line without any snarky insinuations please.

[Carana]

@ Alice

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7067.msg311073#msg311073

It seems a bit pointless a year later.

[G-Unit]

Seems strange that Jez, in all his wandering around, never saw anyone other than Gerry. Suggests that there wasn't anyone else around to see.

Jez said he saw a couple from Block 6 on their way down town, probably for dinner. so they may have passed Block 5 on their way out.