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Offline tbl

Neville's call to Jeremy
« on: February 28, 2016, 01:11:06 PM »
The alleged call from Neville to JB saying Sheila's got the gun is key to the case. Clearly the jury/CoA/CCRC don't believe it took place. I'm trying to think if there is a credible scenario in which it did

Forensic evidence showed that Neville could not have spoken due to his injuries, and there was no blood on the phone. So the call must have taken place before Neville was attacked.

Neville would not call JB (or the police or anyone else for that matter) while Sheila was running around with a gun. His priority would have been to disarm her and then call for help. So the call must have taken place after she had been disarmed.

So taking these points into account a possible scenario would be: Sheila has a fit, grabs a gun and threatens to kill herself/the twins/the family, Neville disarms her, calms her down, perhaps gives her medication, and takes her back upstairs to bed, leaves her with June and then goes downstairs again and calls JB. Sheila then has another fit, grabs the gun again, Neville hears her (or June) screaming, drops the phone and goes back upstairs where he is shot.

The problems with this are:
- If Neville disarmed Sheila, he would have locked the guns away. He would not have risked her being able to access a gun.
- Why would Neville have called JB if he had disarmed Sheila and she was not a threat? Perhaps to help secure the guns? 
- If Sheila had had a fit, Neville would have called for medical help (although if he thought if there was no immediate danger he might perhaps have waited until morning?)
- This is not consistent with JB's report of the call - he said Neville had said 'Sheila's got the gun' and he said he felt Neville was injured at the time of the call

So this doesn't seem to work. Can anyone else think of a plausible scenario for the call?

Offline adam

Re: Neville's call to Jeremy
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2016, 05:29:52 PM »
There is no credible scenario of how Sheila could commit the massacre. Which includes two re loads, two gun chambering's, one or two phone calls from Neville and a kitchen fight.

It is easy to explain how Bamber did it. Which fits the crime scene evidence.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2016, 05:41:33 PM by adam »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Neville's call to Jeremy
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2016, 05:55:02 PM »
The alleged call from Neville to JB saying Sheila's got the gun is key to the case. Clearly the jury/CoA/CCRC don't believe it took place. I'm trying to think if there is a credible scenario in which it did

Forensic evidence showed that Neville could not have spoken due to his injuries, and there was no blood on the phone. So the call must have taken place before Neville was attacked.

Neville would not call JB (or the police or anyone else for that matter) while Sheila was running around with a gun. His priority would have been to disarm her and then call for help. So the call must have taken place after she had been disarmed.

So taking these points into account a possible scenario would be: Sheila has a fit, grabs a gun and threatens to kill herself/the twins/the family, Neville disarms her, calms her down, perhaps gives her medication, and takes her back upstairs to bed, leaves her with June and then goes downstairs again and calls JB. Sheila then has another fit, grabs the gun again, Neville hears her (or June) screaming, drops the phone and goes back upstairs where he is shot.

The problems with this are:
- If Neville disarmed Sheila, he would have locked the guns away. He would not have risked her being able to access a gun.
- Why would Neville have called JB if he had disarmed Sheila and she was not a threat? Perhaps to help secure the guns? 
- If Sheila had had a fit, Neville would have called for medical help (although if he thought if there was no immediate danger he might perhaps have waited until morning?)
- This is not consistent with JB's report of the call - he said Neville had said 'Sheila's got the gun' and he said he felt Neville was injured at the time of the call

So this doesn't seem to work. Can anyone else think of a plausible scenario for the call?

Here's my scenario.  I think it answers all your questions?  If not ask away.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=2931&start=1300#p166460

There's no evidence JB said NB sounded injured other than in CC's book.  I have every sympathy for CC, who wouldn't, but it must be so much easier for him to think JB murdered his boys than the mother of his children for a variety of reasons.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Neville's call to Jeremy
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2016, 08:12:40 PM »
Here's my scenario.  I think it answers all your questions?  If not ask away.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=2931&start=1300#p166460

There's no evidence JB said NB sounded injured other than in CC's book.  I have every sympathy for CC, who wouldn't, but it must be so much easier for him to think JB murdered his boys than the mother of his children for a variety of reasons.

So Neville calls his first choice back up while Sheila is acting erratically and dangerously. Who is errr Jeremy.

While ringing Bamber he doesn't notice Sheila go upstairs with a rifle.

Sheila decides to shoot a still sleeping June who is not annoying her.

Neville, with his free ear, hears the shots from upstairs just after he has said his 11 words to Bamber.

Neville runs upstairs, unprotected and gets within inches of Sheila, but does not physically confront her. Instead allowing her to fire bullets into him from inches away.

Neville then runs straight back downstairs. Sheila forgets about shooting the twins or more bullets into June. She pursues Neville and has a huge fight with him. Neville getting serious injuries while Sheila was mark free.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 06:44:31 AM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Neville's call to Jeremy
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 07:00:01 AM »
Why would Neville run upstairs, unprotected after hearing shots, then straight back downstairs when Sheila starts shooting him ? He must have been expecting Sheila to become defensive if he tried to stop her.

What was he running back downstairs for ? To get a weapon, or something to protect himself with. It's a bit late for either as he's now been shot four times. Why didn't he bring this upstairs with him in the first place.

He's running upstairs to jump on Sheila and smother her. In an attempt to save his wife, grandsons, himself and Sheila. He would not hesitate to do this. If he took a torso bullet prior to jumping on Sheila, that's survivable.

It's not certain Sheila would be able to redirect her shots from June to an onrushing Neville quickly enough.

Offline tbl

Re: Neville's call to Jeremy
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 12:06:37 PM »
Holly, thanks for the links.

I don't get why you think Neville would have called JB while there was any threat from Sheila. He (and June and the twins) would have been at risk while she had the gun, and in particular he would have been a sitting duck while on the phone. Is it not much more likely that he would have taken the gun off her before making any calls?




Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Neville's call to Jeremy
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 02:05:11 PM »
Holly, thanks for the links.

I don't get why you think Neville would have called JB while there was any threat from Sheila. He (and June and the twins) would have been at risk while she had the gun, and in particular he would have been a sitting duck while on the phone. Is it not much more likely that he would have taken the gun off her before making any calls?


There are a whole host of problems with the alleged call that render sit not believable.

1) First of all there is Julie's testimony that it was all staged

2) Jeremy's supposed reactions to such call are not credible.  He failed to exhibit the sense of alarm someone who genuinely received such a call would have.  In fact, it was proven that he lied when he said he called police before Julie.  He called Julie before police.  That is bad enough alone but worse instead of admitting he had done so he lied including at the trial by testifying he called police and then Julie.  Furthermore, he claimed he phoned Nevill back right away but this would not have been possible unless Nevill had hung up the phone.  The notion Nevill hung up the phone then took it off the hook again makes no sense at all.

3) Nevill would have no reason to call Jeremy to ask Jeremy to come disarm her.  Nevill was the biggest one int he family.  He had the physical attributes necessary to disarm Sheila.  If he had the actual need to disarm her it would make sense to do it not to make a phone call to ask someone else to do it which could take who knows how long.

4) How would Nevill get away to use the phone anyway?  Obviously he could not call with Sheila holding a gun on him.  So he would have to abandon his family and allow Sheila to be targeting them as he decides not to protect them but rather to go beg Jeremy to come disarm her.

5) The evidence shows the episode began in the master bedroom not the kitchen. The killer entered the bedroom and emptied the gun into both parents.  Nevill was hit 4 times and June 6 times in this initial attack.  The gun was then empty.  Because the gun was empty but Nevill was not disabled this is why things proceeded to the kitchen.  Either Jeremy fled to get more ammo with Nevill chasing him or Nevill ran to the kitchen to try to arm himself and Jeremy caught up to him there. 

Jeremy supporters suggest one of 2 things:

A) Nevill heard gunshots and ran upstairs from the kitchen after phoning Jeremy and then was shot as he entered

or

B) Sheila caught him on the phone and she held the button down to disconnect the call then marched Nevill at gunpoint to the bedroom in order to kill Nevill and June together.

First of all, it is not credible that Sheila caused a commotion with the gun and that June stayed in bed and left he twins in bed so that Sheila could come shoot them in bed.

Second, the location of Nevill's shots and the casings doesn't support this.  Nevill was shot while he was on his side of the bed and at least some of the shots for sure were delivered while he was not standing upright. Nevill's left side was facing the killer not his front. 1 bullet grazed him and if shot in the doorway that bullet would have ended up in the hallway.  Because the shells eject to the right if the gun had been aimed at the doorway the shells would have been along the wall that had the window.

It is quite clear that the killer entered the bedroom while both parents were inside and shot them both.  The tales about Nevill being downstairs with Sheila and Sheila going upstairs with the gun while allowing Nevill to stay in the kitchen so he could go grab a shotgun, or call police makes no sense at all.  Nor does it make sense he would use such opportunity to call Jeremy.  Nor does it make sense Sheila would return and push down the button to the phone.  If she were that close she could not aim the gun at Nevill and could only hold it with one hand.  He would just grab it away.  Nor does it make sense to menace with the gun for a while irrationally, to allow the call to take place then to return and decide to march him up the stairs to shoot him and June the same time.

There are no plausible scenarios to account for a phonecall to Jeremy. When you add in the inability to kill herself with the moderator attached, Julie's testimony and Jeremy's numerous lies you end up with Jeremy behind bars for the rest of his life.
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