Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!

[Alfred R Jones]

Once again you demonstrate your inability to comprehend nuances. You seem to think the law is not to be questioned so I assume you support the public beheadings, stonings and lashings carried out in countries like Saudi Arabia? After all, those convicted knew the law and the penalties they faced, so the mealy mouthed objectors wingeing on about human rights should just shut up, shouldn't they?

FFS reduction ad absurdum in extremis.   
FYI:  I , together with the girl in question and the perpetrator, live in the UK, not Saudi Arabia.  This thread is not about Saudi law, it is about the fact that some 28 year old footballer fingered a (just) 15 year old, and you, together with Katie Hopkins, think that it's the 15 year old's fault for being such an idiot and / or slapper.  If you seriously think the law is flawed in this respect then I suggest you start campaigning for a reduction in the age of consent - what do you reckon it should be?  15?  14?  13?  12?  Younger?

[Angelo222]

Strictly speaking Johnson is not a paedophile.  A paedophile is someone with a history of grooming young prepubescent children for sex. 

Johnson made a stupid mistake in doing what he did and no doubt regrets it dearly.  Not only has he lost his career as a footballer and all that goes with it but he will hereinafter be tainted by the scandal.

The girl for her part was equally stupid but knew what she was doing, the fact that this abuse was not an isolated occurrence but happened on several occasions mitigates the crime somewhat.  Did the girl have her own agenda, legally a child or not??

[Alice Purjorick]

Strictly speaking Johnson is not a paedophile.  A paedophile is someone with a history of grooming young prepubescent children for sex. 

Johnson made a stupid mistake in doing what he did and no doubt regrets it dearly.  Not only has he lost his career as a footballer and all that goes with it but he will hereinafter be tainted by the scandal.

The girl for her part was equally stupid but knew what she was doing, the fact that this abuse was not an isolated occurrence but happened on several occasions mitigates the crime somewhat.  Did the girl have her own agenda, legally a child or not??

And for those who wish to play "the child card", in this country anyone under 18 is legally a child. So.......?

[Alfred R Jones]

Strictly speaking Johnson is not a paedophile.  A paedophile is someone with a history of grooming young prepubescent children for sex. 

Johnson made a stupid mistake in doing what he did and no doubt regrets it dearly.  Not only has he lost his career as a footballer and all that goes with it but he will hereinafter be tainted by the scandal.

The girl for her part was equally stupid but knew what she was doing, the fact that this abuse was not an isolated occurrence but happened on several occasions mitigates the crime somewhat.  Did the girl have her own agenda, legally a child or not??

A stupid mistake?  Surely it was a bit more than that.  He KNOWINGLY had sexual activity with a child.  He DELIBERATELY broke the law. 

[stephen25000]

A stupid mistake?  Surely it was a bit more than that.  He KNOWINGLY had sexual activity with a child.  He DELIBERATELY broke the law.

Who forced her to go meet him repeatedly ?

[G-Unit]

FFS reduction ad absurdum in extremis.   
FYI:  I , together with the girl in question and the perpetrator, live in the UK, not Saudi Arabia.  This thread is not about Saudi law, it is about the fact that some 28 year old footballer fingered a (just) 15 year old, and you, together with Katie Hopkins, think that it's the 15 year old's fault for being such an idiot and / or slapper.  If you seriously think the law is flawed in this respect then I suggest you start campaigning for a reduction in the age of consent - what do you reckon it should be?  15?  14?  13?  12?  Younger?

So you only support UK laws, not all laws? 

I see your language is becoming coarser as it usually does when you get annoyed.

I have not said that I blamed the girl. That's twice you've accused me of saying things I didn't say. Once more and for the first time ever I will be reporting someone.

The age of consent will be arbitrary wherever you place it. Yet again, it's not the age of consent I object to, it's people saying this man is a paedophile when he isn't.

I would like the law to distinguish between sexual crimes involving children and those involving adolescents. That might educate the gutter press and those members of the 'general poblic' who believe what they read in those rags to understand the difference between an undeveloped child and a teenager who may be as developed physically as an adult. True pedophiles are attracted to one but not to the other.

[G-Unit]

A stupid mistake?  Surely it was a bit more than that.  He KNOWINGLY had sexual activity with a child.  He DELIBERATELY broke the law.

We all know this guy was a complete idiot. He isn't, however, a pedophile. He isn't the first mature man to be stupid enough to be flattered when a young girl falls for him.

Another incorrect headline, which was corrected in the 'Comments' section;

Paedophile teacher Jeremy Forrest
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155828/Paedophile-teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-dumps-teenage-girl-ran-away-France-set-released-prison-today.html

[Alfred R Jones]

So you only support UK laws, not all laws? 

I see your language is becoming coarser as it usually does when you get annoyed.

I have not said that I blamed the girl. That's twice you've accused me of saying things I didn't say. Once more and for the first time ever I will be reporting someone.

The age of consent will be arbitrary wherever you place it. Yet again, it's not the age of consent I object to, it's people saying this man is a paedophile when he isn't.

I would like the law to distinguish between sexual crimes involving children and those involving adolescents. That might educate the gutter press and those members of the 'general poblic' who believe what they read in those rags to understand the difference between an undeveloped child and a teenager who may be as developed physically as an adult. True pedophiles are attracted to one but not to the other.

No I do not support ALL laws, what is funny about that?  Why would I support laws within tyrannical, despotic regimes like SA or North Korea?   You're simply deflecting by bringing other countries' laws into this discussion.  They are not relevant and it is absolutely absurd that you brought them into this conversation. 

Your objection to the poor old footballer being labelled a paedo has been noted.  I'm sure he'd be most thankful for your support in this matter.   Have you perhaps considered spearheading a campaign to change the law, seeing as you seem to feel so strongly about this matter?

And as for your claim that you don't blame the girl in this case, that is IMO blatantly false going by what you have written before, but by all means report me if it makes you feel better.

[Alfred R Jones]

We all know this guy was a complete idiot. He isn't, however, a pedophile. He isn't the first mature man to be stupid enough to be flattered when a young girl falls for him.

Another incorrect headline, which was corrected in the 'Comments' section;

Paedophile teacher Jeremy Forrest
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155828/Paedophile-teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-dumps-teenage-girl-ran-away-France-set-released-prison-today.html

So you think it was a mistake, and that he didn't deliberately and knowingly engage in sexual relations with a child?

[stephen25000]

No I do not support ALL laws, what is funny about that?  Why would I support laws within tyrannical, despotic regimes like SA or North Korea?   You're simply deflecting by bringing other countries' laws into this discussion.  They are not relevant and it is absolutely absurd that you brought them into this conversation. 

Your objection to the poor old footballer being labelled a paedo has been noted.  I'm sure he'd be most thankful for your support in this matter.   Have you perhaps considered spearheading a campaign to change the law, seeing as you seem to feel so strongly about this matter?

And as for your claim that you don't blame the girl in this case, that is IMO blatantly false going by what you have written before, but by all means report me if it makes you feel better.

Who forced the girl to meet the DH several times alfred ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Who forced the girl to meet the DH several times alfred ?

no one, she went of her own accord.  Do you blame her then, for this footbLler's predicament?

[Alfred R Jones]

Once again I find myself in reluctant agreement with Katie Hopkins. Is a girl of fifteen a child unable to decide whether she should take part in sexual activity? What if she's sixteen tomorrow? Does she develop the ability overnight to decide something which she was too young to make a decision on today? That's clearly ridiculous. There is a legal age of consent because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but girls develop at different rates both physically and mentally. Some start chasing boys at thirteen, some are still not too interested at seventeen.

This guy was a complete and utter fool to get involved with this girl, but he doesn't fit my definition of a paedophile.

Years ago women were blamed for everything. If their husband beat them they must have deserved it. If they got raped they had dressed provocatively or 'led the man on' or, in one case I knew of, gone into an army barracks at night and got 'what you would expect' as a result.

The pendulum has now swung the other way and women are seen as completely blameless; it's all the man's fault. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Real paedophiles prey on real children, not fifteen year olds who look and act older. Sensible women don't get themselves into dodgy situations. Sensible men steer well clear of besotted, drunken or unstable women, because they understand the fury of 'a woman scorned'.

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Proof that you DO partly blame the 15 year old victim in this case, she is certainly not blameless according to your paragraph above.

[stephen25000]

no one, she went of her own accord.  Do you blame her then, for this footbLler's predicament?

Read what I've typed before alfred.

It would help.

[Alfred R Jones]

Read what I've typed before alfred.

It would help.

life's too short mate.

[mercury]

Another week, another Katie controversy - her article labelling the victim of a paedophile footballer a slag has received one comment "well said Katie" which has received nearly 11,000 green arrows, what are we to make of this?

What anyone and everyone who is interested and reads cares to make of it as and when she ever comments.That's all, with a caveat of that she is a journalist and her words may seem to carry more weight/be thought about by the  the great unwashed reading public and have some influence, but really all she is is a coarser version of any tv sun type journo and alot of politicians and various other talking heads...much ado about nothing imo..oh hang on