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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #180 on: March 20, 2016, 04:40:28 PM »
Gosh.  I thought it was only 90 minutes.  Doctors all rush to a dead body, do they?

There is no legal requirement for a doctor to attend an expected death, just to provide a form setting out the reason for the death. If the death happens at home the undertaker should be called, and the same applies to nursing homes. In hospitals the body will be moved to the mortuary.

Most unexpected deaths are reported to the Coroner who will order a post mortem to be carried out to discover the cause of death.

The days of doctors rushing to bedsides to certify deaths are no more.


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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #181 on: March 20, 2016, 05:12:09 PM »
I don't think you can rule out whatever either of them said what she was or wasn't wearing.  A gentleman wouldn't feel the need to say that she was only wearing a towel.
At least, no gentleman that I have ever met.

This was the police so you should tell them the whole truth  @)(++(* She wasn't wearing a towel or he would have said it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #182 on: March 20, 2016, 05:18:26 PM »
This was the police so you should tell them the whole truth  @)(++(* She wasn't wearing a towel or he would have said it.

Was he asked? Was it important?  What gentleman would ask if it wasn't that important?

Why would Kate appearing in the lounge wearing a towel be important?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #183 on: March 20, 2016, 05:34:51 PM »
Yes he was asked.

1485 "But could you remember what Kate was wearing for example''
 Reply "I can't, no.'
1485 "And did you actually set eyes on each individual child''
 Reply "All three children I saw, yeah.'
1485 "And were they standing up' Sitting down''
 Reply "Err they were generally standing up, yeah.'
1485 "Did they actually acknowledge you''
 Reply "Err oh yeah, you know I'm very sure that if you'd have asked them, you know that evening or the next day they'd all say ah yeah, I popped in. You know I, you know I did know the children very well, we'd all you know, met up many times before err you know I, you know again I'd be playing with Madeleine you know in the, err the play area err you know during that week, you know lifting her up, twizzing her round and everything, I knew her that well, you know, to do that, and as I say err she'd definitely know who I was and certainly, as I say, just to reinforce that she looked very happy.'
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #184 on: March 20, 2016, 05:37:14 PM »
There is no legal requirement for a doctor to attend an expected death, just to provide a form setting out the reason for the death. If the death happens at home the undertaker should be called, and the same applies to nursing homes. In hospitals the body will be moved to the mortuary.

Most unexpected deaths are reported to the Coroner who will order a post mortem to be carried out to discover the cause of death.

The days of doctors rushing to bedsides to certify deaths are no more.

So Undertakers then.  Do they all stink of Cadaver Odour?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #185 on: March 20, 2016, 05:48:26 PM »
So Undertakers then.  Do they all stink of Cadaver Odour?

A few years ago we were at an undertakers with our dog, for reasons I won't go into. At first the dog was fine, then she suddenly changed. She ran to the door and clawed frantically to get out. I put her lead on and opened the door and she dragged me down the street to our car and only settled when she was in it. So I would say yes, undertakers and their premises stink, at least as far as dogs are concerned.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #186 on: March 20, 2016, 05:53:36 PM »
A few years ago we were at an undertakers with our dog, for reasons I won't go into. At first the dog was fine, then she suddenly changed. She ran to the door and clawed frantically to get out. I put her lead on and opened the door and she dragged me down the street to our car and only settled when she was in it. So I would say yes, undertakers and their premises stink, at least as far as dogs are concerned.

Have any Undertakers ever been on holiday in Praia da Luz?  5a possibly?  Now there's a thought that I bet didn't occur to Amaral.

Offline misty

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #187 on: March 20, 2016, 06:03:51 PM »
Any opinions on this item visible in two places, here with added outlining in green as a guide for looking at the original PJ photo

Amelie's T Shirt?

Offline jassi

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #188 on: March 20, 2016, 06:04:55 PM »
The police could perhaps use undertakers in training their dogs.  Would be cheaper than sending the dogs to USA.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #189 on: March 20, 2016, 06:08:03 PM »
The police could perhaps use undertakers in training their dogs.  Would be cheaper than sending the dogs to USA.

This could be a pertinent thought.  If only I didn't believe that Undertakers have the means to wash Cadaver Odour from their clothes.

Offline jassi

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #190 on: March 20, 2016, 06:13:21 PM »
Not sure about clothing, but mortuaries do use some sort of fluid (an odour-eater) to get rid of smells.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #191 on: March 20, 2016, 06:18:28 PM »
Not sure about clothing, but mortuaries do use some sort of fluid (an odour-eater) to get rid of smells.

I use one of those to get rid of the smell of dog pee on my mat.  But joking aside, permanent Cadaver Odour is a Myth.  Especially three months later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #192 on: March 20, 2016, 07:08:27 PM »
A's T Shirt?
IMO not because this item in pile is manufactured from white or off-white fabric (not blue).
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7097.0;attach=6238;image
green outline has been added to show which item, so please see original PJ photo in files is better.
A start is to ask is the fabric plain, or does it have a design, and if so is it checks, or stripes, or ...?
« Last Edit: March 20, 2016, 07:12:41 PM by pegasus »

Offline misty

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #193 on: March 20, 2016, 07:40:16 PM »
IMO not because this item in pile is manufactured from white or off-white fabric (not blue).
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7097.0;attach=6238;image
green outline has been added to show which item, so please see original PJ photo in files is better.
A start is to ask is the fabric plain, or does it have a design, and if so is it checks, or stripes, or ...?

It's a patterned fabric, not striped, not a regular check. I can't really  make out if the pattern is on a white background
or not- enhancing colour & enlarging doesn't really help and the article could be crumpled up.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #194 on: March 20, 2016, 07:53:56 PM »
posters should not get carried away with the alerts. There is no confirmation of cadaver odour according to grime ...just a suggestion.....
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