Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?

[pegasus]

Must have been a very small pile of clothes as you can see the gap between the chair back & the seating pad.

I hadn't seen the seating pad Misty. Are you sure it's a pad not clothes?
There was nothing on that chair earlier that day because it was being sat on. Also pillows weren't on table, instead breakfast cereals and laptop.

[misty]

I hadn't seen the seating pad Misty. Are you sure it's a pad not clothes?
There was nothing on that chair earlier that day because it was being sat on. Also pillows weren't on table, instead breakfast cereals and laptop.

You can't see the seating pad but you can see the gap. How low was the chair or how small was any pile of clothes that it didn't obscure the gap?

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[pegasus]

You can't see the seating pad but you can see the gap. How low was the chair or how small was any pile of clothes that it didn't obscure the gap?

Yes so maybe nothing on chair. But why then does Eddie appear to be alerting to it? Is this the first time he walks behind the chair?

[pathfinder73]

Eddie is alerting to scent so it doesn't have to be that chair, table, sideboard but it was something that was also present at the crime scene on 3 May 2007 that was hidden by MG i.e. CC.

[pegasus]

Eddie is alerting to scent so it doesn't have to be that chair, table, sideboard but it was something that was also present at the crime scene on 3 May 2007 that was hidden by MG i.e. CC.

At what exact time in the video does the dog alert to the cat Pathfinder?

[Brietta]

Eddie is alerting to scent so it doesn't have to be that chair, table, sideboard but it was something that was also present at the crime scene on 3 May 2007 that was hidden by MG i.e. CC.

When exactly did MG hide the soft toy in the cupboard?  What prompted him to take that course of action?

[pathfinder73]

At what exact time in the video does the dog alert to the cat Pathfinder?

The scent is in that area. Scent travels. CC was hidden. CC was also present at the crime scene where Eddie alerted twice. One alert at the villa and CC was hidden before sending Eddie into that area. So what do you think he was alerting to? Something not at the crime scene on 3 May 2007?

[ShiningInLuz]

Eddie is alerting to scent so it doesn't have to be that chair, table, sideboard but it was something that was also present at the crime scene on 3 May 2007 that was hidden by MG i.e. CC.

This one does not fly for me.

It is known where CC was on 3 May (strictly the early hours of 4 May) when the first PJ team took photos.  It was on M's bed in the children's room.  Why did Eddie not alert in the bedroom?

I do not know if CC went to the Payne's at 5H.  So the fact that Eddie did not alert in 5H tells me nothing about CC.

Unless there was some pretty weird shenanigans, CC went to 4G for 2 months.  Eddie did not alert in 4G.

From this pattern, I would only accept that CC was not contaminated during this period.

Therefore in 27 RdF, I am faced with options in understanding Eddie.

1. Contamination, whether direct or by transfer, occurred after the move into 27 RdF.  Since 4G was clean, the only interpretation I can put on it is M's body was moved by the McCanns after the transfer to 27 RdF.  Folks, don't flame me on this.  I am not stating this happened, merely that this is a requirement of a 'valid' alert.

2. The alert to CC in 27 RdF is false in some way.  Note I am not discussing all of the alerts re items from 27 RdF, just CC.  From the action of Mr Grime, it seems he was concerned this option might be taken as correct.  Therefore, after Eddie's first alert to CC, when he appeared to start playing with the toy, Mr Grime moved it into a cupboard for a second check.  Mr Grime asserts that Eddie does not alert in situations where there is no 'cadaver' scent present.  If that is 100% accurate, I cannot see that a second check is needed.  If it is not accurate, and a second check IS needed, I cannot see that Mr Grime's cupboard check tells me anything.  I don't know what Eddie was alerting to.  Was it 'cadaver' scent?  Or was it just that Eddie could smell where his toy was hidden and was, essentially, repeating his first mistake?

Considering the probability of the options, I don't think Eddie tells me much about CC re 27RdF.

While the lack of alerts in the children's bedroom and in 4G, if any weight can be given to them, imply a body retrieval/body disposal scenario while in 27 RdF, a tough challenge.

[Eleanor]

This one does not fly for me.

It is known where CC was on 3 May (strictly the early hours of 4 May) when the first PJ team took photos.  It was on M's bed in the children's room.  Why did Eddie not alert in the bedroom?

I do not know if CC went to the Payne's at 5H.  So the fact that Eddie did not alert in 5H tells me nothing about CC.

Unless there was some pretty weird shenanigans, CC went to 4G for 2 months.  Eddie did not alert in 4G.

From this pattern, I would only accept that CC was not contaminated during this period.

Therefore in 27 RdF, I am faced with options in understanding Eddie.

1. Contamination, whether direct or by transfer, occurred after the move into 27 RdF.  Since 4G was clean, the only interpretation I can put on it is M's body was moved by the McCanns after the transfer to 27 RdF.  Folks, don't flame me on this.  I am not stating this happened, merely that this is a requirement of a 'valid' alert.

2. The alert to CC in 27 RdF is false in some way.  Note I am not discussing all of the alerts re items from 27 RdF, just CC.  From the action of Mr Grime, it seems he was concerned this option might be taken as correct.  Therefore, after Eddie's first alert to CC, when he appeared to start playing with the toy, Mr Grime moved it into a cupboard for a second check.  Mr Grime asserts that Eddie does not alert in situations where there is no 'cadaver' scent present.  If that is 100% accurate, I cannot see that a second check is needed.  If it is not accurate, and a second check IS needed, I cannot see that Mr Grime's cupboard check tells me anything.  I don't know what Eddie was alerting to.  Was it 'cadaver' scent?  Or was it just that Eddie could smell where his toy was hidden and was, essentially, repeating his first mistake?

Considering the probability of the options, I don't think Eddie tells me much about CC re 27RdF.

While the lack of alerts in the children's bedroom and in 4G, if any weight can be given to them, imply a body retrieval/body disposal scenario while in 27 RdF, a tough challenge.

Good Post.

[misty]

This one does not fly for me.

It is known where CC was on 3 May (strictly the early hours of 4 May) when the first PJ team took photos.  It was on M's bed in the children's room.  Why did Eddie not alert in the bedroom?

I do not know if CC went to the Payne's at 5H.  So the fact that Eddie did not alert in 5H tells me nothing about CC.

Unless there was some pretty weird shenanigans, CC went to 4G for 2 months.  Eddie did not alert in 4G.

From this pattern, I would only accept that CC was not contaminated during this period.

Therefore in 27 RdF, I am faced with options in understanding Eddie.

1. Contamination, whether direct or by transfer, occurred after the move into 27 RdF.  Since 4G was clean, the only interpretation I can put on it is M's body was moved by the McCanns after the transfer to 27 RdF.  Folks, don't flame me on this.  I am not stating this happened, merely that this is a requirement of a 'valid' alert.

2. The alert to CC in 27 RdF is false in some way.  Note I am not discussing all of the alerts re items from 27 RdF, just CC.  From the action of Mr Grime, it seems he was concerned this option might be taken as correct.  Therefore, after Eddie's first alert to CC, when he appeared to start playing with the toy, Mr Grime moved it into a cupboard for a second check.  Mr Grime asserts that Eddie does not alert in situations where there is no 'cadaver' scent present.  If that is 100% accurate, I cannot see that a second check is needed.  If it is not accurate, and a second check IS needed, I cannot see that Mr Grime's cupboard check tells me anything.  I don't know what Eddie was alerting to.  Was it 'cadaver' scent?  Or was it just that Eddie could smell where his toy was hidden and was, essentially, repeating his first mistake?

Considering the probability of the options, I don't think Eddie tells me much about CC re 27RdF.

While the lack of alerts in the children's bedroom and in 4G, if any weight can be given to them, imply a body retrieval/body disposal scenario while in 27 RdF, a tough challenge.

Cuddlecat was taken to the gymnasium. There is no mention of an Eddie alert to CC or anything it was packed with occurring at the gym.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CLOTHES.htm


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From: Inspector Joao Carlos


TERMS OF DELIVERY

On 3rd August 2007 in Praia da Luz, Gerlad McCann, resident in Rua das Flores 27 appeared before me Joao Carlos and Inspector Freitas according to written dispatch?and delivered the following:

1. One soft toy, made of pink coloured material, make Cuddle Cut with a wooden rosary and a green ribbon.
2. Four boxes containing clothes, shoes, suitcases and travel bags.
3. Two suitcases containing clothes, shoes, suitcases and travel bags.
4. One Bible.
5. Two diaries.
6. One note pad.
7. One pair of rubber gloves.

[pathfinder73]

This one does not fly for me.

It is known where CC was on 3 May (strictly the early hours of 4 May) when the first PJ team took photos.  It was on M's bed in the children's room.  Why did Eddie not alert in the bedroom?

I do not know if CC went to the Payne's at 5H.  So the fact that Eddie did not alert in 5H tells me nothing about CC.

Unless there was some pretty weird shenanigans, CC went to 4G for 2 months.  Eddie did not alert in 4G.

From this pattern, I would only accept that CC was not contaminated during this period.

Therefore in 27 RdF, I am faced with options in understanding Eddie.

1. Contamination, whether direct or by transfer, occurred after the move into 27 RdF.  Since 4G was clean, the only interpretation I can put on it is M's body was moved by the McCanns after the transfer to 27 RdF.  Folks, don't flame me on this.  I am not stating this happened, merely that this is a requirement of a 'valid' alert.

2. The alert to CC in 27 RdF is false in some way.  Note I am not discussing all of the alerts re items from 27 RdF, just CC.  From the action of Mr Grime, it seems he was concerned this option might be taken as correct.  Therefore, after Eddie's first alert to CC, when he appeared to start playing with the toy, Mr Grime moved it into a cupboard for a second check.  Mr Grime asserts that Eddie does not alert in situations where there is no 'cadaver' scent present.  If that is 100% accurate, I cannot see that a second check is needed.  If it is not accurate, and a second check IS needed, I cannot see that Mr Grime's cupboard check tells me anything.  I don't know what Eddie was alerting to.  Was it 'cadaver' scent?  Or was it just that Eddie could smell where his toy was hidden and was, essentially, repeating his first mistake?

Considering the probability of the options, I don't think Eddie tells me much about CC re 27RdF.

While the lack of alerts in the children's bedroom and in 4G, if any weight can be given to them, imply a body retrieval/body disposal scenario while in 27 RdF, a tough challenge.

CC like clothes are screened separately. It was photographed on the bed at the crime scene. IMO CC was touched after handling the body which has happened in previous cases where Eddie has alerted e.g. a suspects diary. Most of these scent alerts can only be proved from confessions. These alerts are intelligence to help the police.

[pegasus]

CC like clothes are screened separately. It was photographed on the bed at the crime scene. IMO CC was touched after handling the body which has happened in previous cases where Eddie has alerted e.g. a suspects diary. Most of these scent alerts can only be proved from confessions. These alerts are intelligence to help the police.

Are you able to post a photo of Eddie alerting to the cat please Pathfinder?

[pathfinder73]

Are you able to post a photo of Eddie alerting to the cat please Pathfinder?

The cat was hidden Pegasus. It was the only thing changed in that area. Eddie went back in and alerted in that area where the cat was hidden. Eddie can detect scent away from the actual source.

[misty]

The cat was hidden Pegasus. It was the only thing changed in that area. Eddie went back in and alerted in that area where the cat was hidden. Eddie can detect scent away from the actual source.

Why didn't Eddie alert to CC later at the gymnasium?

[pegasus]

The cat was hidden Pegasus. It was the only thing changed in that area. Eddie went back in and alerted in that area where the cat was hidden. Eddie can detect scent away from the actual source.

Please can you post a photo of Eddie alerting to a hidden cat Pathfinder?