Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?

[ferryman]

What right had Mark Harrison to issue anything to the Portuguese police, that wasn't his job?

Whilst the Portuguese certainly have experience in use of sniffer-dogs, they had none in dogs of the type deployed (on the English side) in the shelved investigation.

[pegasus]

Whilst the Portuguese certainly have experience in use of sniffer-dogs, they had none in dogs of the type deployed (on the English side) in the shelved investigation.

A shelved investigation in which one piece of intelligence was an EVRD alert to a wardrobe shelf on which had been a pile of clothing that night

[Benice]

A shelved investigation in which one piece of intelligence was an EVRD alert to a wardrobe shelf on which had been a pile of clothing that night

But not necessarily to the wardrobe - let alone to a certain shelf  - as scent could merely have 'pooled' in that particular area of the apartment and so not be directly connected to it -  according to Martin Grime.

[faithlilly]

But not necessarily to the wardrobe - let alone to a certain shelf  - as scent could merely have 'pooled' in that particular area of the apartment and so not be directly connected to it -  according to Martin Grime.

But there has to have been a scent there in the first place.

[pegasus]

But not necessarily to the wardrobe - let alone to a certain shelf  - as scent could merely have 'pooled' in that particular area of the apartment and so not be directly connected to it -  according to Martin Grime.

Eddie sniffed that corner of the room several times and did not alert.
Therefore it was not scent pooled up in that corner of the room from some other place.
When he sniffs the first shelf above the floor, he alerts immediately.

[misty]

Eddie sniffed that corner of the room several times and did not alert.
Therefore it was not scent pooled up in that corner of the room from some other place.
When he sniffs the first shelf above the floor, he alerts immediately.

Why didn't Eddie alert when he was beside the wardrobe after going in the bedroom a second time - 21m15 onwards on forum video?

[pegasus]

Why didn't Eddie alert when he was beside the wardrobe after going in the bedroom a second time - 21m15 onwards on forum video?

Because when Eddie heads back towards the first shelf of the left wardrobe the handler specifically calls him away and back to the beds.

[misty]

Because when Eddie heads back towards the first shelf of the left wardrobe the handler specifically calls him away and back to the beds.

I heard that instruction. Why would the handler have done that?

[Brietta]

A shelved investigation in which one piece of intelligence was an EVRD alert to a wardrobe shelf on which had been a pile of clothing that night

The problem with that, Pegasus, is that any remaining scent was not exclusive to the McCann family.

The alerts took place in a holiday apartment previously let out and subsequently let out to other holidaymakers.   Who knows what any of them may have left on that shelf or anywhere else for that matter.

Cadaver dogs do not alert only to dead people they alert to living people who who may have left a scent of decomposition behind them.

[pegasus]

I heard that instruction. Why would the handler have done that?

Because he wants to double-check the room for other locations, not repeat an alert he has already noted.

[misty]

Because he wants to double-check the room for other locations, not repeat an alert he has already noted.

Isn't it standard procedure to have a second cadaver dog validate an alert?

[pegasus]

Isn't it standard procedure to have a second cadaver dog validate an alert?

There was only one cadaver dog in PDL on 1st August 2007 Misty.

[misty]

There was only one cadaver dog in PDL on 1st August 2007 Misty.

All the more reason to have the lone dog validate its original alert, don't you think?

[ferryman]

Isn't it standard procedure to have a second cadaver dog validate an alert?

Not sure.

There were certainly two dogs deployed in the second enquiry (both cadaver dogs).

Of course, in the first, there was just one cadaver dog ....

Although, thinking about it, an FOI answer about Eddie's career with SYP said that (during the time he worked for them, teamed up with Eddie) sometimes Grime and Eddie would be deployed alone; sometimes with another handler and another dog, Frankie.

So, don't know.

[pegasus]

All the more reason to have the lone dog validate its original alert, don't you think?

No, that is not necessary. Validation is needed only when investigators chose to dismiss the first cadaver dog's alert, as happened in South Addington. There it was necessary to bring in a second cadaver dog 2 or 3 days later, not because the first dog was wrong, but because the investigators were wrong to ignore the first dog.