"Charity collectors" data

[Alfred R Jones]

I really would be interested in an answer to my questions on this thread to Heriberto concerning his analysis. Apparently it told him that parental involvement was impossible;

April 03, 2016, 03:20:48 PM »
If you read the first three volumes of PJ files, and know about eyewitness testimony dynamics, your unique conclusion should be: physically impossible.

That is why I discard the McCann. Not for their "motivations".

Come on, Heriberto, explain how your 'system analysis' was organised.

I would be really interested in you answering my own question posed to you earlier.  Do you now accept that your statement that burglars do not turn child abductors was not a factually correct statement?

[Alfred R Jones]

Yes the Childers case is of a burglar turned abductor
Do you think that is what happened in PDL Alf?

I don't know, all I do know is that it's possible.

[stephen25000]

I don't know, all I do know is that it's possible.

So is abduction by aliens, as dave is fond of saying.

[Alfred R Jones]

So is abduction by aliens, as dave is fond of saying.

There are no confirmed and proven abductions by aliens however, unlike abduction by a burglar.

[stephen25000]

There are no confirmed and proven abductions by aliens however, unlike abduction by a burglar.

and what evidence is there of an abduction in this case ?

By the way, beliefs are irrelevant.

[mercury]

There are no confirmed and proven abductions by aliens however, unlike abduction by a burglar.

abduction by a burglar morphing is extremely remote...almost non existent....other scenarios are more common therefore more likely....planned abduction, infanticide, fatal accident, wandered off and its various permutations after....

[mercury]

Fake charity collectors are after money not kids.

It will be avon ladies next

[pegasus]

What would have happened if someone had knocked at the door?

[mercury]

What would have happened if someone had knocked at the door?

Nothing hopefully if it had been Locked

But one Mccann says it wasnt locked

Its pathetic you leave very young kids alone and dont even lock the bloody doors

[Alfred R Jones]

What would have happened if someone had knocked at the door?

Who knows?  Don't pretend you do please. 

[pegasus]

Who knows?  Don't pretend you do please.

It's quite possible that someone might have knocked at the door that evening.
If no-one answered presumably the knocker would assume no-one was home.

[misty]

It's quite possible that someone might have knocked at the door that evening.
If no-one answered presumably the knocker would assume no-one was home.

A regular charity collector would not be looking to break into the only door he knocked on.

[pegasus]

A regular charity collector would not be looking to break into the only door he knocked on.

I agree that a genuine charity collector would probably not collect as late as 8.30pm. Also that someone who is knocking to double-check that everyone is out would, if someone opened the door, not use the charity collection excuse, they would be more likely to use the "oh sorry I'm looking for the german family" type excuse. But what would the child do if someone knocked.

[Brietta]

I agree that a genuine charity collector would probably not collect as late as 8.30pm. Also that someone who is knocking to double-check that everyone is out would, if someone opened the door, not use the charity collection excuse, they would be more likely to use the "oh sorry I'm looking for the german family" type excuse. But what would the child do if someone knocked.

I think the open approach by the fraudulent collectors could have had two purposes.

• simply to access some ready cash
• to reconnoitre the approaches to the premises check out security measures and ease of entry and exit also if it looked as if there might be anything worth stealing

invade the premises
[/list]

I don't think these door knockers would be the same people who would later make an illegal entry to the premises.  That would be someone acting on the information received from them.

They might have knocked to ascertain if the premises were empty, but that wasn't the MO in Mrs Fenn's home invasion.

[pegasus]

I think the open approach by the fraudulent collectors could have had two purposes.

• simply to access some ready cash
• to reconnoitre the approaches to the premises check out security measures and ease of entry and exit also if it looked as if there might be anything worth stealing

invade the premises
[/list]

I don't think these door knockers would be the same people who would later make an illegal entry to the premises.  That would be someone acting on the information received from them.

They might have knocked to ascertain if the premises were empty, but that wasn't the MO in Mrs Fenn's home invasion.

The collectors were describing a genuine charity which helps orphanages, and had done preparation by printing out photos and learning its history and offering receipts. But someone who helps run that charity said they don't do door-to-door collections. So there is a possibility the collectors might have been bogus keeping the donations for themselves.

However IMO the burglar(s) who opened this child's bedroom window and shutter, unintentionally triggering an accident IMO, were just petty burglar(s) nothing to do with any bogus charity collectors.