"Charity collectors" data

[pegasus]

Sorry, didn't twig.

We have not a lot of idea about what OG has and has not done.  I wonder if HOLMES 2 flags 'open manhole' as an action point?  Though technically, 'open manhole' does not fit an abduction remit.

It's interesting to try to work out the location from the witness statement. On a road running parallel to supermarket - that could be Martins or Teixeira. And near to apartment and tapas - that would would narrow it down to just Martins. And at a junction - so at a junction on Martins?

[pegasus]

Looking at the hypothesis of fake door-to-door charity collectors who might hypothetically also do burglaries of properties where there was no answer at the door because everyone's out, are there any known cases of that, any country?

[misty]

Looking at the hypothesis of fake door-to-door charity collectors who might hypothetically also do burglaries of properties where there was no answer at the door because everyone's out, are there any known cases of that, any country?

http://www.thecomet.net/news/conman_who_targeted_elderly_residents_in_letchworth_and_baldock_jailed_for_disgusting_crimes_1_2943055

[pegasus]

Thanks Misty.
Hypothetically, what if a pair of fake charity collectors knocked on 5A door after 8.30pm? What would have happened next?

[misty]

Thanks Misty.
Hypothetically, what if a pair of fake charity collectors knocked on 5A door after 8.30pm? What would happen?

What time after 8.30 are you hypothesising?

[pegasus]

What time after 8.30 are you hypothesising?

For example 9.40 Misty.
Knock knock on wooden door ... what happens next?

[misty]

Scrub that last response.
What do we know about bogus charity collectors?
They operate during daylight business hours, to appear legitimate. After dark, people are much less likely to answer the door to a stranger so an attempted break-in is a risky prospect.
The collectors in Luz all operated during daylight hours. I don't remember any of those burgled at OCreportedly  being visited by CC - I stand to be corrected.

Had collectors knocked on the door of 5a - is there a possibility Madeleine would have gone to the door & asked who was there, before opening the door? That doesn't explain the open shutter & window.
Had collectors knocked, no answer - I don't know. Why pick a cheap holiday apartment on a Thursday?


9.40? Approx 5 mins before JT walked back & through the car park & then ROB left 5D & walked back to Tapas.
Can't see it somehow.

[pegasus]

A burglary nearby was preceded by a stranger knocking at door, but with different excuse to charity collection.

What would have happened if anyone had knocked on 5A wooden door that evening while the adults were out?
IMO they would have got no response.

[misty]

A burglary nearby was preceded by a stranger knocking at door, but with different excuse to charity collection.

What would have happened if anyone had knocked on 5A wooden door that evening while the adults were out?
IMO they would have got no response.

Sorry - it's late - which burglary are you referring to & what was the method of entry?

[pegasus]

Sorry - it's late - which burglary are you referring to & what was the method of entry?

5L "On April 16, a British couple who had just arrived in the resort received a knock on the door from a fair-haired man who claimed to be looking for a German family. Hours later their apartment was burgled."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460514/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-speak-delight-overwhelming-response-Crimewatch-reconstruction.html

[pegasus]

... 5L is on 2nd floor directly above 5H. Doors were locked, everyone was out for dinner, burglar got in, but there was no damage to doors or windows, therefore it's obvious that entry was through shuttered window without force IMO.

[Alice Purjorick]

http://www.thecomet.net/news/conman_who_targeted_elderly_residents_in_letchworth_and_baldock_jailed_for_disgusting_crimes_1_2943055

Is "The Comet" your local rag?
When I was one helluva a lot younger it was named "The Citizen".
Cor blimey what a small world.

[misty]

Is "The Comet" your local rag?
When I was one helluva a lot younger it was named "The Citizen".
Cor blimey what a small world.

LOL, no it's not my local rag. Google is such a useful tool.
I see Letchworth is also renowned for the presence of black squirrels, for anyone who is interested.

[Alice Purjorick]

LOL, no it's not my local rag. Google is such a useful tool.
I see Letchworth is also renowned for the presence of black squirrels, for anyone who is interested.

Also renowned for some strange religious sects; Baldock is renowned for Knights Templar. More importantly Baldock is renowned for the number of pubs there and of course for Jack who was a sort of 12th century chugger ( just to keep it on topic less or more).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_O'Legs

[sadie]

... 5L is on 2nd floor directly above 5H. Doors were locked, everyone was out for dinner, burglar got in, but there was no damage to doors or windows, therefore it's obvious that entry was through shuttered window without force IMO.

Or the burglar had got hold of a front door key !

Had he got in thru the window, there would have been signs on the sills and fibres on the frame.  Also finger prints all over the place.


It would be possible, given a key to get in via the front door without any finger prints.  Just put the key in the lock, twist, then push the key.  Door open, voila!

The departure could also be via the same route with a twisted key in the lock pulling the door closed


No need to touch the door either way, but practicing the technique before hand would have been a good idea.