"Charity collectors" data

[pegasus]

Or the burglar had got hold of a front door key !

Had he got in thru the window, there would have been signs on the sills and fibres on the frame.  Also finger prints all over the place.


It would be possible, given a key to get in via the front door without any finger prints.  Just put the key in the lock, twist, then push the key.  Door open, voila!

The departure could also be via the same route with a twisted key in the lock pulling the door closed


No need to touch the door either way, but practicing the technique before hand would have been a good idea.

5L on second floor was entry via window IMO Sadie. Same as 5G on first floor, entry via window IMO. Opening method as in Heri video requires no key.

[Heriberto Janosch]

5L on second floor was entry via window IMO Sadie. Same as 5G on first floor, entry via window IMO. Opening method as in Heri video requires no key.

I have pictures of 5L windows, without and with bars.

[sadie]

5L on second floor was entry via window IMO Sadie. Same as 5G on first floor, entry via window IMO. Opening method as in Heri video requires no key.

Maybe, but I still prefer the doorway entrance with a key.  Dunno about the pertinent window in 5L but the windiow to Madeleines bedroom would have been hellishly difficult to climb thru cos it was quite narrow... and there would have been scuff marks on the sills + fibres on the window frame.  Also finger prints everywhere.

Doorway entrance using a key, can be achieved leaving no evidence what-so-ever.

I think someone on the staff of OC was easy at lending out keys, or the burglar was an OC employee.

[G-Unit]

If burglars were using keys why didn't they open the windows and shutters to disguise the fact as has been suggested in the MBM case? Has anyone got any credible evidence that these burglaries happened in the apartments described? Apologies if I have overlooked the cites.

[pegasus]

(snip) Has anyone got any credible evidence that these burglaries happened in the apartments described? (snip)

Yes statement by employee who helped with insurance claim after burglary 5L (Proc II p344-5).

[pegasus]

Entry into 5G in Apr 2007 was through window.
Entry into 5L in Apr 2007 was through window.

The source is Metropolitan Police: http://web.archive.org/web/20150302140142/http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1257246745782

"Two of the burglaries in April were in Block 5 where Madeleine disappeared from. In both these burglaries entry was via a window "

[pegasus]

I have pictures of 5L windows, without and with bars.

Heri can you confirm that 5L has only one window accessible to burglar on external walkway / stairwell area please? If so that identifies exactly the window through which the burglar entered 5L.

And BTW 4A was burgled too did you know that? Interesting because it is a close replica of 5A.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Heri can you confirm that 5L has only one window accessible to burglar on external walkway / stairwell area please? If so that identifies exactly the window through which the burglar entered 5L.

And BTW 4A was burgled too did you know that? Interesting because it is a close replica of 5A.

Here you have 4 pics of 5L, the first and the third are from the window i believed was used: http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-my.html

Please send me the reference for 4A burglary.

[pegasus]

Please send me the reference for 4A burglary.

I will dig out some info for you Heri. BTW if you look on streetview notice that that the window of its north bedroom now has locking internal security bars and possibly an alarm sticker. This window is the exact equivalent of the same window at 5A.

[pegasus]

Heri it was in Feb, no sign of forced entry, loot was 2 mobiles 1 camera and some cash, and it happened at dusk.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Heri it was in Feb, no sign of forced entry, loot was 2 mobiles 1 camera and some cash, and it happened at dusk.

Thanks Pegasus. Do you have a reference?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Thanks Misty.
Hypothetically, what if a pair of fake charity collectors knocked on 5A door after 8.30pm? What would have happened next?

Hypothetically, They would have woken the children, unless the children were drugged as has been mentioned.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Or the burglar had got hold of a front door key !

Had he got in thru the window, there would have been signs on the sills and fibres on the frame.  Also finger prints all over the place.


It would be possible, given a key to get in via the front door without any finger prints.  Just put the key in the lock, twist, then push the key.  Door open, voila!

The departure could also be via the same route with a twisted key in the lock pulling the door closed


No need to touch the door either way, but practicing the technique before hand would have been a good idea.

Why bother with  a front door key when you have already claimed it was an elite group who watched this family- with a view to abduct a child,they would know the door was left open for them to just walk in...

[pegasus]

Thanks Pegasus. Do you have a reference?

I can PM if briefly unblocked Heri

[Brietta]

Thanks Pegasus. Do you have a reference?

**Snip

Last updated at 06:59 21 August 2007
Another British holidaymaker, Ian Robertson, from Neyland in Pembrokeshire, South Wales, said he too was burgled at the Ocean Club complex, in February.
The thieves entered the property at dusk and stole two mobile phones, a camera and some money.
Mr Robertson said: "I have a feeling there has been a lot of this type of opportunistic burglary.
"It wouldn't surprise me because it's so wide open, so unprotected - could there have been an order to snatch a child?"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476689/Madeleines-parents-meet-Ken-Bigleys-brother-discuss-abduction-agony.html#ixzz44DsGtxRY