"Charity collectors" data

[G-Unit]

Thanks Eleanor. Does anyone here have a front door which locks just by closing it, and can then be optionally double-locked by inserting key and turning it? When double-locked, can it be opened from inside without key please?

Our locks were like that in Germany. If you just closed it when you went in you could open it from inside and go out without a key. Anyone left outside when the door was closed needed a key to get in. If you double locked it on the inside at night you needed to unlock it in the morning to get out.

The couple in 5L told the bookkeeper they left their door 'on the latch'. This would not allow anyone to get in, but they could get out if they were already in. The T7 children were double-locked in, so couldn't get out.

If someone left the key in the door on the inside I would think it couldn't be opened with a key from the outside. Because the 'turning' bit of the mechanism is filled, the outside key wouldn't get to it.

[Alice Purjorick]

Thanks Eleanor. Does anyone here have a front door which locks just by closing it, and can then be optionally double-locked by inserting key and turning it? When double-locked, can it be opened from inside without key please?

In answer to your question my locks need a key to open them from inside when double locked. The front locks on closure but the back does not. Once a key has been used to lock a door it must used to unlock it whichever side of the door one is on.
You need a locksmith or Churchill's guide ...................
https://www.churchill.com/home-insurance/tips/door-lock-types#.Vv1f13ozzm4

I hate to think how many variations on a theme there are throughout Europe.

[pegasus]

Tentative deduction of how a burglary at a different apartment was done
(a) the only easily accessible shuttered window was presumably tried first but heri method did not work due to lock button on inside of window being in lock position. (b) a less accessible shuttered window was accessed by one person giving a leg up to the other person, opening by heri method succeeded because lock button on inside of window was not in locked position, so one person climbs in window. (c) wooden door was found to have been deadlocked and no key left laying around, impossible to open and can't be used for exit. (d) therefore balcony door opened from inside and used as exit.
Includes guessing and might be wrong.
What this means re 5A is that possibly there was a pair of young agile intelligent petty burglars targeting these blocks early 2007.

[jassi]

Perhaps if the McCanns had said that they had been entering by the 'front' door with a key, but that Kate found the patio door 'wide open', they might have been more readily believed.

[pegasus]

Thanks GUnit and Alice. IMO at 5L burglar entered through window, and exited through wooden door which was not double-locked. At different apartment described above IMO wooden door was double-locked and not available for burglar exit.

[G-Unit]

Thanks GUnit and Alice. IMO at 5L burglar entered through window, and exited through wooden door which was not double-locked. At different apartment described above IMO wooden door was double-locked and not available for burglar exit.

I'm not too sure, but wasn't the 5L window over a drop so you couldn't stand in front of it?

[Heriberto Janosch]

pegasus, i have sent you a PM.

[pegasus]

pegasus, i have sent you a PM.

Thanks Heri, what an unusual gift. Not Blair or Brown I hope (I've had enough of tracing blanked numbers in the phone records).

[Heriberto Janosch]

In an Argentinian blog, in Spanish.

http://factorelblog.com/2016/03/31/caso-madeleine-1/

[pegasus]

In an Argentinian blog, in Spanish.

http://factorelblog.com/2016/03/31/caso-madeleine-1/

But Heri in the rogs 2 of the T7 searchers converse briefly in the street when their paths cross near Luztur.
IMO if they were speaking loudly it is not suspicious, it is natural in the urgency of the search.
And obviously they walk off quickly because they are urgently searching.

[pegasus]

What were two people (seen by [Name removed]) doing on balcony of 5C? Is there a window on that balcony?
And had gateman (seen by CT) been on 5B balcony? And is there a window on that balcony?
Is it possible there was testing of windows in daytime?

[Brietta]

What were two people (seen by [Name removed]) doing on balcony of 5C? Is there a window on that balcony?
And had gateman (seen by CT) been on 5B balcony? And is there a window on that balcony?
Is it possible there was testing of windows in daytime?

Daytime would be a logical time for a quick open window and enter to check if anything worth stealing had been left lying around while the holidaymakers were out.  But why test the gate apparently for noise? and why observe from a distance?

[stephen25000]

I am still waiting to hear for a logical reason to lock the apartment during the daytime and unlocked,or so they claimed after the story changed, in the evening.

[Angelo222]

I am still waiting to hear for a logical reason to lock the apartment during the daytime and unlocked,or so they claimed after the story changed, in the evening.

It seems to go against all logic.  The only reason I can see why they did it was for ease of access for checking.  They assumed it was safe as they could see the patio balcony from the tapas area.  What mystifies me however is knowing that they used the patio why did Gerry claim he accessed the apartment using the front door to do his check at 9pm?

[ShiningInLuz]

I am still waiting to hear for a logical reason to lock the apartment during the daytime and unlocked,or so they claimed after the story changed, in the evening.

If by unlocked you mean the patio door, it makes little to no sense, unless I am missing a trick.

If it made sense to leave the patio door unlocked, why didn't the other two families on the ground floor of block 5 do the same?  The time saved seems pretty much the same to me.

As to why lock it during the daytime, when the block has no significant security features, that aspect makes sense.