"Charity collectors" data

[Brietta]

Indeed.

Now do you agree that Eddie's alert in the patch of greenery just below the patio doors could be indicative of an accident having happened ?

Having watched the video of Eddie's half hearted alert in the garden I have no idea what was going on.  Just as I have no idea why his handler removed something from the locale and put it into his pocket ... I cannot remember if it was put into an evidence bag, maybe's aye maybe's no ... and I have no idea what happened to it subsequently whether it was introduced into evidence or not.[/list]

[faithlilly]

Having watched the video of Eddie's half hearted alert in the garden I have no idea what was going on.  Just as I have no idea why his handler removed something from the locale and put it into his pocket ... I cannot remember if it was put into an evidence bag, maybe's aye maybe's no ... and I have no idea what happened to it subsequently whether it was introduced into evidence or not.[/list]

But you agree that the alert COULD constitute evidence of an accident ?

[Brietta]

Indeed.

Now do you agree that Eddie's alert in the patch of greenery just below the patio doors could be indicative of an accident having happened ?

What you haven't accepted is that you referred to the back as the front which is part and parcel of the oft alleged 'inconsistency' scenario.
The garden where the charity collector approached the previous occupant of 5A before the McCann family, being firmly situated at the back outside the sliding patio doors; and also very likely the same garden where one of the MW nannies was startled by a man stepping towards her in the darkness.[/list]

[Brietta]

But you agree that the alert COULD constitute evidence of an accident ?

I think this discussion is better placed on the appropriate thread if you wish to continue it ... it is off topic on this one ... and for that I am as much to blame as you.  [/list]

[pegasus]

I think to be certain you would need to get a source closer to 2007. 

There have been many changes in other regulations in the time that we have been out here.

It's clear from this report http://amovate.com/index.php/2013/06/charity-collectors-around-vale-da-telha/ that in 2013 door to door charity collections were legal if a permit for specified collection days was obtained from the Câmara Municipal (town hall). IMO it is likely that the position was the same in 2007. One of the collectors in PDL 2007 told a donator that they were allowed to collect only in one period per year. Possibly the Câmara Municipal does not issue unlimited permits, but limits them to one collection period of few days each year for each charity?

[ShiningInLuz]

It's clear from this report http://amovate.com/index.php/2013/06/charity-collectors-around-vale-da-telha/ that in 2013 door to door charity collections were legal if a permit for specified collection days was obtained from the Câmara Municipal (town hall). IMO it is likely that the position was the same in 2007. One of the collectors in PDL 2007 told a donator that they were allowed to collect only in one period per year. Possibly the Câmara Municipal does not issue unlimited permits, but limits them to one collection period of few days each year for each charity?

It might or might not have been the same in 2007.

I vaguely remember one guy saying that if I donated I would not be approached for another 12 months.  He did not say how often I would be approached if I did not donate.

The trouble with my 3 incidents is that they referred to an orphanage in Espiche.  AFAIK there is no orphanage in Espiche.

[pegasus]

@Shining. At any of the 3 times you were approached, did the collector mention a road accident? Or a craft fair?

[ShiningInLuz]

@Shining. At any of the 3 times you were approached, did the collector mention a road accident? Or a craft fair?

No to both.

I'm not sure what the craft fair connection is, but Luz often has craft stalls along the promenade in Summer, and the local mags usually have a craft fair in the vicinity (Luz/Burgau/Lagos).

[pegasus]

No to both.

I'm not sure what the craft fair connection is, but Luz often has craft stalls along the promenade in Summer, and the local mags usually have a craft fair in the vicinity (Luz/Burgau/Lagos).

Thanks. Craft fairs are sometimes held at Espiche (near the vets) and raise money for a selected charity, which for example in 2010 was the charity we are talking about, which supports Lagos children's home.

[misty]

Thanks. Craft fairs are sometimes held at Espiche (near the vets) and raise money for a selected charity, which for example in 2010 was the charity we are talking about, which supports Lagos children's home.

It's a real shame the GFM page set up on Mar 23rd to raise funds for supporting an event this year have so far attracted zero donations from the locals. Obviously not as worthwhile a cause as certain others.......

[pegasus]

It's a real shame the GFM page set up on Mar 23rd to raise funds for supporting an event this year have so far attracted zero donations from the locals. Obviously not as worthwhile a cause as certain others.......

The portuguese public have raised far more money to support Lagos state orphanage than for Mr Amaral's defence costs. The UK public on the other hand have IMO donated far more money (millions of pounds) to the limited company (which amongst other things funded suing Mr Amaral) than they have to supporting any UK state orphanage.

[ShiningInLuz]

Thanks. Craft fairs are sometimes held at Espiche (near the vets) and raise money for a selected charity, which for example in 2010 was the charity we are talking about, which supports Lagos children's home.

Thank you for this insight.  Tis news to me.

[Brietta]

The portuguese public have raised far more money to support Lagos state orphanage than for Mr Amaral's defence costs. The UK public on the other hand have IMO donated far more money (millions of pounds) to the limited company (which amongst other things funded suing Mr Amaral) than they have to supporting any UK state orphanage.

I don't think there are any state orphanages in Britain, Pegasus.  There are care homes which cater for children whose parents may be unable to look after them short term or longer.  The emphasis now appears to be on fostering or adoption rather than institutions.
There would appear to be no necessity for charitable donations to orphanages in Britain ... and of course there are huge televised drives each year to raise money for children in need from which all children meeting the criteria benefit.

[Brietta]

Noticed this link to the algarve daily news on .....2 and thought it might be of interest to the discussion.


BEWARE - Bogus door-to-door Madrugada collections
 Created: 08 April 2016
 
BEWARE - Bogus door-to-door Madrugada collectionsMadrugada have received reports about a 'scruffy looking' man collecting door-to-door on behalf of Madrugada.

He is in posession of a BOGUS letter from Madrugada, authorising his collection. Madrugada has NOT authorised a door-to-door collection.

Last sighting; Palm Bay Apartments, Rua Direita, Luz.

http://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/8485-beware-bogus-door-to-door-madrugada-collections

[misty]

Noticed this link to the algarve daily news on .....2 and thought it might be of interest to the discussion.


BEWARE - Bogus door-to-door Madrugada collections
 Created: 08 April 2016
 
BEWARE - Bogus door-to-door Madrugada collectionsMadrugada have received reports about a 'scruffy looking' man collecting door-to-door on behalf of Madrugada.

He is in posession of a BOGUS letter from Madrugada, authorising his collection. Madrugada has NOT authorised a door-to-door collection.

Last sighting; Palm Bay Apartments, Rua Direita, Luz.

http://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/8485-beware-bogus-door-to-door-madrugada-collections

Times must be really hard for Sir Cliff..........................