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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #375 on: April 10, 2016, 04:00:36 PM »
Noticed this link to the algarve daily news on .....2 and thought it might be of interest to the discussion.


BEWARE - Bogus door-to-door Madrugada collections
 Created: 08 April 2016
 
BEWARE - Bogus door-to-door Madrugada collectionsMadrugada have received reports about a 'scruffy looking' man collecting door-to-door on behalf of Madrugada.

He is in posession of a BOGUS letter from Madrugada, authorising his collection. Madrugada has NOT authorised a door-to-door collection.

Last sighting; Palm Bay Apartments, Rua Direita, Luz.


http://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/8485-beware-bogus-door-to-door-madrugada-collections

Thank you Brietta for the link. This proves that there are bogus charity collectors collecting in the Luz area. Collectors with nothing more criminal in mind than is dishonestly conning unsuspecting tourist of their euros.

Kind of puts all the hu ha around Gail Cooper and her 'sighting'  in perspective doesn't it ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #376 on: April 10, 2016, 04:18:34 PM »
Thank you Brietta for the link. This proves that there are bogus charity collectors collecting in the Luz area. Collectors with nothing more criminal in mind than is dishonestly conning unsuspecting tourist of their euros.

Kind of puts all the hu ha around Gail Cooper and her 'sighting'  in perspective doesn't it ?


The perspective I have of a witness making a statement in good faith is that they have fulfilled their civic duty. 

My perspective of fraudsters and any other criminals ... is not one of condoning their criminal activities ... nor is it one of trying to second guess what they may be capable of or what their intent may be.

Wonder why the algarve news was concerned enough to report and print the rather eye catching warning graphic for emphasis?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #377 on: April 10, 2016, 05:07:35 PM »

The perspective I have of a witness making a statement in good faith is that they have fulfilled their civic duty. 

My perspective of fraudsters and any other criminals ... is not one of condoning their criminal activities ... nor is it one of trying to second guess what they may be capable of or what their intent may be.

Wonder why the algarve news was concerned enough to report and print the rather eye catching warning graphic for emphasis?

I absolutely agree with you that Gail Cooper gave her first statement in good faith. Unfortunately due to the media's interest her claims over time seemed to get rather more colourful in the telling.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 05:18:34 PM by Brietta »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #378 on: April 10, 2016, 05:24:31 PM »
Thank you Brietta for the link. This proves that there are bogus charity collectors collecting in the Luz area. Collectors with nothing more criminal in mind than is dishonestly conning unsuspecting tourist of their euros.

Kind of puts all the hu ha around Gail Cooper and her 'sighting'  in perspective doesn't it ?
This is a bit that intrigues me.  If I was a bogus charity collector, would I carry out this scam in Luz, knowing OG is looking for bogus charity collectors in Luz?

Wait a moment.  Oh silly me!  Crimewatch 2013 didn't get aired on Portuguese TV, did it?
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #379 on: April 10, 2016, 05:50:04 PM »
This is a bit that intrigues me.  If I was a bogus charity collector, would I carry out this scam in Luz, knowing OG is looking for bogus charity collectors in Luz?

Wait a moment.  Oh silly me!  Crimewatch 2013 didn't get aired on Portuguese TV, did it?

I'm not too sure how much or how little effect Crimewatch 2013 had in Portugal.  I'm not sure what effect, if any, it would have had in changing attitudes of people who had become convinced of the McCann "guilt" of whatever.

There seems to have been little warning given of home invasions in the Portuguese press with children being assaulted.  That the children were the children of tourists may or may not have had a place in that - I don't know.

There was certainly a denial of the burglaries which were prevalent in Luz and the Algarve - how much that may have had to do with 'image' in an area reliant on tourism could have been a reason for that.

The inherent danger associated with an uninvited stranger soliciting money at the door illegally seems to have been recognised by the English speaking part of the Algarve at least.

Knowledge of Madeleine McCann's case is certainly a factor in that as I believe at least one English language reporter has a keen interest in reporting on the case.

On the other hand perhaps the 'bogus collector' feels very invisible and safe to go about business in Luz as so many have questioned the existence of such persons and questioned the veracity or character of those who have encountered them in the flesh.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #380 on: April 10, 2016, 08:16:27 PM »
I'm not too sure how much or how little effect Crimewatch 2013 had in Portugal. (snip)
Very little effect Brietta, because when TVI and SIC wanted to broadcast the Crimewatch special, the BBC reportedly refused.

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #381 on: April 10, 2016, 11:05:45 PM »
Very little effect Brietta, because when TVI and SIC wanted to broadcast the Crimewatch special, the BBC reportedly refused.

A great shame as Kate is now reported as believing the Madeleine never left Portugal.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline mercury

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #382 on: April 10, 2016, 11:30:43 PM »
Very little effect Brietta, because when TVI and SIC wanted to broadcast the Crimewatch special, the BBC reportedly refused.

surprised the mccanns didnt complain

Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #383 on: April 10, 2016, 11:48:11 PM »
"The Deputy Director of News at Sic Television was meanwhile reported to have exchanged e-mails with the BBC in the days running up to the Crimewatch programme in order to secure the rights to the full programme, but to no avail. 'The BBC said they are not selling the rights', Martim Cabral told The Portugal News, 'therefore we cannot show it.'
Another Portuguese news channel, TVI, told The Portugal News that it had contacted the British national broadcaster prior to the airing of the show, as it sought to 'acquire the programme for Portugal, which was denied.'
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/crimewatch-aired-in-uk-ireland-netherlands-germany-but-why-not-portugal/29659

And yet ...

"BBC Worldwide celebrates 50th country sale of Strictly Come Dancing ... In 2013, new versions of the show launched in Thailand, Portugal and Macedonia."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldwide/50th-country-strictly
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 11:52:33 PM by pegasus »

Offline mercury

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #384 on: April 10, 2016, 11:58:11 PM »
Possibly hampering a missing chlld investigation versus watchng the foxtrot....as billy connolly says....who does that except "them"

 @)(++(*


great bbc priorities

Offline Brietta

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #385 on: April 11, 2016, 01:11:06 AM »
"The Deputy Director of News at Sic Television was meanwhile reported to have exchanged e-mails with the BBC in the days running up to the Crimewatch programme in order to secure the rights to the full programme, but to no avail. 'The BBC said they are not selling the rights', Martim Cabral told The Portugal News, 'therefore we cannot show it.'
Another Portuguese news channel, TVI, told The Portugal News that it had contacted the British national broadcaster prior to the airing of the show, as it sought to 'acquire the programme for Portugal, which was denied.'
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/crimewatch-aired-in-uk-ireland-netherlands-germany-but-why-not-portugal/29659

And yet ...

"BBC Worldwide celebrates 50th country sale of Strictly Come Dancing ... In 2013, new versions of the show launched in Thailand, Portugal and Macedonia."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldwide/50th-country-strictly

One wonders why there was no problem reaching agreement with broadcasters in other countries to screen the Crimewatch programme appealing for information on Madeleine McCann ... but a stumbling block arose to prevent that happening in Portugal.

At a very sensitive time as far as the Portuguese side of the investigation was concerned and cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of Britain and Portugal being established ... one gets the impression official comment on the situation was very guarded indeed.

However, one wonders why criticism of the programme not being broadcast in Portugal is reserved for the BBC and for some taking the opportunity to upbraid the McCanns for a situation they were powerless to avoid ... when Portugal was the only country where, whatever discussion occurred between law enforcement and whatever commercial discussion took place between broadcasters, there was failure to reach agreement.




Crimewatch aired in UK, Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, but why not Portugal?
BY BRENDAN DE BEER, IN NEWS · 17-10-2013 14:13:00 · 22 COMMENTS

More than a few eyebrows were raised this week when it became apparent that unlike BBC, RTE, ZDF or AVRO, no Portuguese television station was to air a repeat of the Crimewatch programme which was first shown to millions of viewers on Monday evening.

Conflicting reports were emerging this week as to why Portuguese television had not followed the example of the UK, Ireland, Germany and Netherlands by showing the appeal for information in the search for missing British toddler Madeleine McCann.

One BBC reporter reporting from Praia da Luz on Monday evening told viewers the fact that the programme was not being shown in Portugal was “controversial”, while BBC Radio 4 quoted experts saying they regretted that new leads could be hampered by the fact that there are no plans to show the fresh appeal for information in Portugal.

“We need to get [the Portuguese police] to show the appeal, set aside their political differences, set aside their pride and get to the position where [the forces] are both focused, working together”, criminologist, ex-police officer and child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas was quoted as telling BBC Radio 4’s Today programme this week.

His comments were then widely re-printed in a number of publications, including the Guardian.

When questioned as to the reasons for Crimewatch not being shown in Portugal, the Metropolitan Police Service responded that there is no such show in Portugal, while the UK, Ireland, Germany and the Netherlands have regular television programmes appealing for viewers’ assistance in solving crime.
Portuguese police would therefore be unable to force any of the country’s networks to alter scheduling unless they unilaterally decided to do so.

Clips of the programme are available from the Metropolitan Police Service’s Press Bureau and have been shown on Portuguese television this week.

The BBC, in response to questions from The Portugal News over Crimewatch failing to make it on to the television screens of viewers in the country where Madeleine McCann disappeared, explained:
“We have provided clips of the Crimewatch programme to international broadcasters to assist them in their coverage of the appeal, and the Crimewatch film is available on the BBC Crimewatch website to international audiences.

“The decision on broadcasting an appeal on an equivalent programme in Portugal is a matter for the Portuguese broadcasters, Portuguese police and The Metropolitan Police”, the statement read.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/crimewatch-aired-in-uk-ireland-netherlands-germany-but-why-not-portugal/29659


There was also an element of Portuguese public interest which was ignored as information on crimes and criminals operating in their midst was an element of the Crimewatch appeal.

**snip
Police are also looking into bogus charity collectors who were operating in the area at the time. On the day that Madeleine disappeared, properties were targeted four times, say detectives.

Police have released two efits of Portuguese men. One, aged 40-45, knocked on the door of the apartment where the McCanns were to stay on 25 or 26 April between 2.30pm and 3pm, saying he was a charity collector. The other, aged 25-30, approached a property on the Rua do Ramalhete, near the Ocean Club, at around 4pm on 3 May.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/15/madeleine-mccann-same-name-efit-appeal-crimewatch
« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 01:18:15 AM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #386 on: April 11, 2016, 01:49:41 AM »
CM and another spinner attempted to spin it as the Portuguese broadcasters refusing to broadcast the Crimewatch special. However the facts are that both TVI and SIC wanted to broadcast it and asked for permission but were denied permission. How absolutely ridiculous, making a TV programme appealing for witnesses to a disappearance in Portugal, and then refusing permission for it to be broadcast in full in Portugal.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 01:51:56 AM by pegasus »

Offline mercury

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #387 on: April 11, 2016, 01:56:14 AM »
CM and another spinner attempted to spin it as the Portuguese broadcasters refusing to broadcast the Crimewatch special. However the facts are that both TVI and SIC wanted to broadcast it and asked for permission but were denied permission. How absolutely ridiculous, making a TV programme appealing for witnesses to a disappearance in Portugal, and then refusing permission for it to be broadcast in full in Portugal.

The short and tall of it in a nutshell..portugal wanted to show it, they were denied, the mccann pr team blaming the porguguese, typical

Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #388 on: April 11, 2016, 02:13:52 AM »
The short and tall of it in a nutshell..portugal wanted to show it, they were denied, the mccann pr team blaming the porguguese, typical
Yes that's it in a nutshell Merc. What if there are witnesses who saw where smithman went after the smith sighting? Or some more witnesses with information about charity collectors. And what if those witnesses are portuguese speaking portuguese people in portugal. They would never get a chance to watch Mr Redwood's Crimewatch special on TV and realise they needed to come forward. 
« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 02:19:13 AM by pegasus »

Offline mercury

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #389 on: April 11, 2016, 02:49:54 AM »
Its quite bizarre, that people living in the countrywho could have witnessed smithman were not given the opportunity of jogging their memories, but only tourists were ie vis a vis it being shown in the netherlands uk etc etc

Then again no one living anywhere in the world was given the opportunity of naming the efits which were available from 2008
And a small proportion afforded it in 2013

All very odd

Final goodnight

« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 02:53:12 AM by mercury »