"Charity collectors" data

[ShiningInLuz]

Thanks Shining. Probably the Câmara would not store collection permit records from 9 years ago 
BTW were you in Portugal when the Crimewatch special was broadcast there?
(A trick question obviously)

Yes.  I watched it on BBC via Filmon, I think.  Maybe Sky.  There are people out here who make a living out of ensuring foreign broadcasts can be seen, and those services are popular with people who don't speak Portuguese.

The BBC had complained that it was not making any revenue out of such broadcasts via Sky while commercial companies could get additional advertising, so Sky took the lot off 'our' satellite about 2 years ago.

[pegasus]

Yes.  I watched it on BBC via Filmon, I think.  Maybe Sky.  There are people out here who make a living out of ensuring foreign broadcasts can be seen, and those services are popular with people who don't speak Portuguese.

The BBC had complained that it was not making any revenue out of such broadcasts via Sky while commercial companies could get additional advertising, so Sky took the lot off 'our' satellite about 2 years ago.

I wonder how many responses the BBC Crimewatch Special actually got from potential witnesses in Portugal who speak only Portuguese and don't speak English? Probably absolutely none.

[ShiningInLuz]

I wonder how many responses the BBC Crimewatch Special actually got from potential witnesses in Portugal who speak only Portuguese and don't speak English? Probably absolutely none.

I suspect, but cannot prove, that some of the calls were made by ex-pats here.  That is based on the pattern of people interviewed just before DCI Redwood retired.

The general mood here is one of 'time to move on', so I would be surprised if many people who lived through the incident bothered to watch.

AFAIK, the programme was covered in advance by Portuguese media, basically along the lines that SY had a new suspect, and here were the e-fits.  There was nothing in the programme to 'appeal' to the Portuguese, nor to make it easy for them to respond.  And I doubt many Portuguese prioritise the BBC over local media anyway.

All in all, a big opportunity that was missed.

[Mr Gray]

I suspect, but cannot prove, that some of the calls were made by ex-pats here.  That is based on the pattern of people interviewed just before DCI Redwood retired.

The general mood here is one of 'time to move on', so I would be surprised if many people who lived through the incident bothered to watch.

AFAIK, the programme was covered in advance by Portuguese media, basically along the lines that SY had a new suspect, and here were the e-fits.  There was nothing in the programme to 'appeal' to the Portuguese, nor to make it easy for them to respond.  And I doubt many Portuguese prioritise the BBC over local media anyway.

All in all, a big opportunity that was missed.

isn't it true that most portuguese think the mccanns are guilty...because of what amaral and the press wrote

[G-Unit]

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isn't it true that most portuguese think the mccanns are guilty...because of what amaral and the press wrote

Can you demonstrate that what Amaral and the press wrote caused the Portuguese people to think the McCanns are guilty? I don't think it's quite so simple as just saying it, as the McCanns themselves discovered when they asserted that Amaral's activities 'harmed the search for Madeleine'. That was shown to be merely opinion, just like your statement.

[ShiningInLuz]

isn't it true that most portuguese think the mccanns are guilty...because of what amaral and the press wrote

I think most Portuguese think the McCanns are guilty of something, even if that something is limited to child neglect.

I don't see the book as the issue.  I would find it really hard to take you to a bookseller here.

The 'documentary', IMO, was crucial.  That seems to have been the Smithman = Gerry time.

From that point on, trying to get an unbiased evaluation inside Portugal was like trying to push water uphill.  It still is.

The PR expertise funded by the McCanns didn't know where the real battleground was.  And judging by CM in Australia, they still don't.

All in my opinion.

[Mr Gray]

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Can you demonstrate that what Amaral and the press wrote caused the Portuguese people to think the McCanns are guilty? I don't think it's quite so simple as just saying it, as the McCanns themselves discovered when they asserted that Amaral's activities 'harmed the search for Madeleine'. That was shown to be merely opinion, just like your statement.

amaral wrote that maddie died in the apartment...the mccanns covered up her death and disposed of the body. He repeated his claims on a documentary on TV. The press printed lies that were repeated in the UK papers

[G-Unit]

amaral wrote that maddie died in the apartment...the mccanns covered up her death and disposed of the body. He repeated his claims on a documentary on TV. The press printed lies that were repeated in the UK papers

I know all that. What no-one knows is if there is any causal link between that and the opinions of Portuguese people.

[stephen25000]

amaral wrote that maddie died in the apartment...the mccanns covered up her death and disposed of the body. He repeated his claims on a documentary on TV. The press printed lies that were repeated in the UK papers

It has yet to be determined what fate befell Madeleine.

Accidental death is one of the possibilities.

[Mr Gray]

It has yet to be determined what fate befell Madeleine.

Accidental death is one of the possibilities.

amaral stated it as fact...remember

[Mr Gray]

I know all that. What no-one knows is if there is any causal link between that and the opinions of Portuguese people.

its called stating the obvious

[mercury]

its called stating the obvious

That wont do, it didnt for the judge in the recent case and shouldnt imo for anyone else, especially as many portuguese had suspicions well well before any book

[Mr Gray]

That wont do, it didnt for the judge in the recent case and shouldnt imo for anyone else, especially as many portuguese had suspicions well well before any book

its called stating the obvious....I wouldnt expect a sceptic such as yourself to agree...it doesn't matter that you don't

[mercury]

its called stating the obvious....I wouldnt expect a sceptic such as yourself to agree...it doesn't matter that you don't

But it is not obvious as you have not quantified or qualified your claim at the very least. The fact you are making blank statements and refusing to discuss them and fob off questions by reiterating the same blank statements and then getting personal shows readers what they need to know IMO of course

[Mr Gray]

But it is not obvious as you have not quantified or qualified your claim at the very least. The fact you are making blank statements and refusing to discuss them and fob off questions by reiterating the same blank statements and then getting personal shows readers what they need to know IMO of course

not personal as I would not expect any sceptic to agree....but it is stating the obvious....supporters will agree...sceptics wont...and if we had 500 posts debatating it nothing would change