What has Operation Grange actually achieved ?

[stephen25000]

Let the debate begin.

[ShiningInLuz]

Let the debate begin.

I think you might get a better quality of debate if you establish your starting position first.

[jassi]

I imagine that OG now have a long list of people who have been shown to have absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance. Only they know who is on that list, of course.

[Eleanor]

I think you might get a better quality of debate if you establish your starting position first.

I will second that.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I imagine that OG now have a long list of people who have been shown to have absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance. Only they know who is on that list, of course.

Yes, indeed, a long way of saying NOTHING.

Well, nothing to warrant further financial input or police time... as no arrests are immanent, Madeleine has not been sighted anywhere in the world,no evidence has been offered to rule in or out a stranger abduction.

Back to the begining- with all the tapas- asking real hard hitting questions...

[jassi]

Yes, indeed, a long way of saying NOTHING.

Well, nothing to warrant further financial input or police time... as no arrests are immanent, Madeleine has not been sighted anywhere in the world,no evidence has been offered to rule in or out a stranger abduction.

Back to the begining- with all the tapas- asking real hard hitting questions...

Sadly, I think we'll just get a wind-down with no culprit identified. 
In my opinion, they have never had the remit to conduct a proper investigation.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Sadly, I think we'll just get a wind-down with no culprit identified. 
In my opinion, they have never had the remit to conduct a proper investigation.

I agree with the wind down however, I am not so sure about a proper investigation.

  A seperate investigation could have been mounted here in the UK-Investigating the parents and tapas, to rule out any involvement by them.

 Madeleine is/was a UK citizen- the investigation begins with the parents responsibility of protecting their daughter and they were the last people to see her alive before it is claimed she disappeared. All OG had to do was look over the papers/files with a fine tooth comb and they would have come up with the same answer. They did not need to go to Portugal because they had no juristriction to conduct an investigation, and noone was going to confess so... very expensive wild goose chase.

[jassi]

I agree with the wind down however, I am not so sure about a proper investigation.

  A seperate investigation could have been mounted here in the UK-Investigating the parents and tapas, to rule out any involvement by them.

 Madeleine is/was a UK citizen- the investigation begins with the parents responsibility of protecting their daughter and they were the last people to see her alive before it is claimed she disappeared. All OG had to do was look over the papers/files with a fine tooth comb and they would have come up with the same answer. They did not need to go to Portugal because they had no juristriction to conduct an investigation, and noone was going to confess so... very expensive wild goose chase.

That's really what they have been doing. A few officers went over to Portugal on a jolly now and again, but the bulk of the team stayed at home studying files.

[G-Unit]

OG have, allegedly, now got all the information from the PJ Files, LP Files and the PI Files into HOLMES. They have also, allegedly, investigated every lead they identified after carrying out that exercise. They have conducted new interviews and made new appeals, and, no doubt, have entered the results into HOLMES also. They probably have the largest amount of information ever gathered in any investigation ever.

Despite all that, they don't appear to have discovered what happened to Madeleine McCann. In my opinion their release of the Smithman e-fits in 2013 was a last attempt to solve the case. The digging the following year was a last attempt to find a body.

The case seems to be almost dormant now and I don't expect any new initiatives to take place. I don't expect it to be closed, it will be left open in case of new information arising.

[stephen25000]

I think you might get a better quality of debate if you establish your starting position first.

I have made my position on that Shining, abundantly clear in the past.

That opinion has not changed.

Also, an investigation by a force not involved in any way in the case, might have been more productive.

Namely neither UK or Portuguese.

[ShiningInLuz]

I have made my position on that Shining, abundantly clear in the past.

That opinion has not changed.

Also, an investigation by a force not involved in any way in the case, might have been more productive.

Namely neither UK or Portuguese.

I have been a member of the forum for long enough to know your position.  However, there may be current guests who are not aware of it, and there may be future members and guests who are not, therefore finding it a bit difficult to understand what is going on.

It is entirely up to you, but I think the topic would be better if you simply added your opinion.

[Eleanor]

I have been a member of the forum for long enough to know your position.  However, there may be current guests who are not aware of it, and there may be future members and guests who are not, therefore finding it a bit difficult to understand what is going on.

It is entirely up to you, but I think the topic would be better if you simply added your opinion.

In my opinion, it should be mandatory, and not just left in the air.

[stephen25000]

I have been a member of the forum for long enough to know your position.  However, there may be current guests who are not aware of it, and there may be future members and guests who are not, therefore finding it a bit difficult to understand what is going on.

It is entirely up to you, but I think the topic would be better if you simply added your opinion.

No problem.

To briefly reiterate.

IMO, Operation Grange has achieved nothing, as it was looking at one possible scenario only, to the exclusion of others.

It remains clear, an abductor or abductors have not been found, and in my view, for a simple reason, there wasn't an abduction or burglary, gone wrong.

However, there are other possibilities which have not been investigated by what has been revealed about OG, other than BHH's Freudian slip, a few months ago.

[Miss Taken Identity]

No problem.

To briefly reiterate.

IMO, Operation Grange has achieved nothing, as it was looking at one possible scenario only, to the exclusion of others.

It remains clear, an abductor or abductors have not been found, and in my view, for a simple reason, there wasn't an abduction or burglary, gone wrong.

However, there are other possibilities which have not been investigated by what has been revealed about OG, other than BHH's Freudian slip, a few months ago.

Well said Stephen. a lot of threads do not have 'mandatory opinions' just sayin..

[stephen25000]

Well said Stephen. a lot of threads do not have 'mandatory opinions' just sayin..

No problem.