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Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2016, 06:55:35 AM »
The layout diagram of WHF shows two oblong shapes preceding the entrance to the main bedroom indicative of two stairs:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg25947#msg25947

AE's WS refers to reaching the landing and going up a few steps and turning right into the main bedroom:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=3100;image

There's also a photo showing a sloping handrail leading up to the main bedroom:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920

I believe NB was stood in the area where the handrail turns or maybe on the first step and this is where he sustained the facial shots with the perp firing from inside the main bedroom.


If he was standing where the handrail turns then he would be the same floor level as the shooter and the downward trajectory can't be achieved.  If he was standing on the stairs then his right side would be facing the bedroom doorway. He was shot from the left not the right.  The legends I provided detail where the shooter would be in relation to Nevill. The first one was with the shooter to Nevill's front left which is with respect to the face shots and the other is with the shooter to his left rear which is how the other two shots were delivered.

If you use such you would see that someone walking up the stairs could only target his face if standing by sheila's door.   Pretend the dot in the middle is Nevill. He is on the stairs. The blue field is where the shooter would have to be in the hallway.



You can rotate the image depending upon where you want to stick Nevill. If Nevill were facing the master bedroom door the killer would have to be inside the room somewhere near the chair:



The blue field shows where the killer had to be when firing at his face and the red field shows where the killer was to fire the arm shots.

The ejection port is within the bedroom with the casings ejected slightly upwards and to the right hence DRH/3 and DRH/4 are located just inside the main bedroom.  The following photo shows this is a distinct possibility:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920

They eject at between 1 and 2 o'clock. The eject hard they don't just travel a little. They would not land where you claim and more importantly the right side would be targeted if someone were on the stairs and if walking in the room then the killer would have to be where I showed. 


This is the most plausible explanation for the trajectory of the facial shots ie 20 degrees below the horizontal.

No your theory fails to account for the downward angle to a shot suffered while on the landing.  Only oon the steps could the angle be achieved but on the steps the left side would not be targeted.

The most plausible explanation for the trajectory is Nevill was seated on the bed or in the process of getting up when he was shot in the face. The cases were found where they would be expected to be if this is what happened.

I believe the shots to NB's shoulder and elbow were sustained whilst NB had turned and was facing down the main staircase with the perp behind him.  The pathologist's report states:

Entry wound measuring 3/16" situated 1 1/4" below the point of the left shoulder on its outer aspect.  The track of this wound was downwards causing a comminuted fracture of the upper third of the humerus with considerable overlapping of the fractured from soft tissue near the fracture site.

Oblique grazing wound measuring 1/2" situated 4" above the left elbow and associated with surrounding bruising.  The track of this wound was from the left arm and against the left side of the lower chest causing a 1 1/2" graze with a curved edge which was 3/16" in width.  The radiograph showed fragments of a bullet in the left lower chest although these could not be located within the body cavity.


The above relates to wounds 7 and 8.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=676

Image of humerus below.

It seems to me NB sustained the grazing wound when the perp was behind him since it bruised his left elbow and bullet fragments were found in his chest cavity.  I can't see how these injuries occurred from any other direction?

I showed you where the killer had to be in order to fire the shoulder wound and graze wound.  The killer had to be in the red field.



No the outer aspect is  the side of the shoulder. You can't hit the side of the shoulder if you are directly behind someone you must be to the side.

The graze wound went left to right into his side, that can only be achieved with the killer at nearly a perfect 9 O'clock position.  My clocks above are is a little flawed only with respect to the fact that the trajectory of the graze would could be 9 or a little more than 9. The red is really the trajectory of the shoulder wound. The shoulder wound was more to the back than the graze wound was. The green is the area where the killer was to fire the graze wound:



It should be obvious to you that when Nevill is walking down the stairs the wall is blocking the killer from being able to target his left side.  Thus the wall prevents the necessary angles from being achieved.  You have not taken into account the location of the bullet that grazed Nevill. If he had been grazed while oon the stairs it would have been on the stairs not in the bedroom. But again the only way to graze him while he is on the stairs is to shoot through the wall.   

The location of the casings and bullet and downward trajectories all support Nevill sitting in bed or in the process of getting out of bed when shot.

Again with the casings ejected slightly upwards and to the right I believe casings DRH/13 and DRH/14 landed on the transition strip to the main bedroom and the landing.

That doesn't make any sense. Moreover, DRH/14 clearly was from the kitchen which was missing a casing. 

Scipio as far as I can recall I've only ever stated no evidence exits of NB's blood in the bedroom?  The two blood stains on the landing carpet DRH/47 and DRH/49 were inconclusive.  The lab required two positives to confirm a conclusive result.  They were only able to get an 'A' and 'O' grouping result on the carpet samples from the landing.  NB's grouping was 'O' and June's 'A'.

On blue there was a post confirming DRH/49 was Nevill's blood. that in turn was used to support allegations that Nevill came out of Sheila's room.  I didn't save the docs because it is inconsequential. The hallway is not big it doesn't take much to reach the location where it was found from the bedroom. Nevill could easily have ran towards Sheila's door before going down the stairs and also the killer could have had a drop of his blood which dropped off. Whichever is the case makes no material difference.   

They didn't test all the blood on the bedding and carpet in the bedroom so there is no way to know if Nevill's blood was there or not. Being shot there would not necessarily result in his dripping any blood in there. When you bleed from the mouth it moreso gets on you.

The only reliable evidence of where he was shot are the casings, bullet that grazed him, trajectories of he wounds not just the casings and the entire circumstances. June would not be sleeping in bed while Sheila was running around with a rifle. If he got up to go check on things then he would have been shot elsewhere before June was ever shot.

How could a bullet graze Nevill while he is on the stairs then do a u turn back up the stairs and another u turn into the bedroom?   How could a bullet scrape the back of the arm and then hit the side unless it were fired from the 9 o'clock position?  How could someone walking down the stairs be shot from the 9 o clock position other than through the wall? The clocks I provided show the location of the shooter vis a vis Nevill for all 4 shots. The angles are not possible with Nevill on the stairs unless the killer was near Sheila's door but the casing location don't support such either.

You asked why the defense didn't challenge the assessment of him being shot in the bedroom and this explains why.       
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 09:04:46 AM by Holly Goodhead »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2016, 12:28:33 PM »
Winder stairs connect the main staircase and the 2 or 3 stairs leading to the main bedroom.  NB would need to reach the top of the 2 or 3 stairs leading to the main bedroom to be at the same level as the perp.  It should be possible to determine the perp from this by taking into account:

- the trajectory of the shot 20 degrees below the horizontal

- depth of stair/step

- NB's height - 6' 4"

- JB's height - Not sure of JB's height think it's somewhere between 5' 10" to 6' so enough difference between the two siblings

- SC's height - 5' 7"

It's clear from the photo showing the handrail leading up to the main bedroom that if NB's face was positioned diagonally looking into the main bedroom then it is possible he sustained the two facial shots from this position.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg25947#msg25947
« Last Edit: April 23, 2016, 12:33:13 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2016, 01:02:19 PM »
The GSW NB sustained to his left elbow and chest cavity where the bullet did not actually pentrate but grazed only with fragments found in the chest cavity had to be fired when the perp was behind.  The elblow could have been positioned parallel with the chest cavity or slightly forward or behind.  The bullet must have skimmed both the elbow and chest cavity.

The following article by Dr Laura Perry re Suspraspinatus Trigger points highlights the outside of the shoulder which fits with the fact that the GSW NB sustained to his shoulder caused a comminuted fracture of the upper third of the humerus - see diagram below.  It is clear to me that NB sustained the elbow and shoulder shot when the perp was behind him on the main staircase.

http://www.triggerpointtherapist.com/blog/supraspinatus-trigger-points/treating-stubborn-supraspinatus-trigger-points/

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2016, 01:15:04 PM »
Investigators and the lab did not identify any of NB's blood in the bedroom/bedding therefore there was plenty of scope for JB's defence to run with my scenario based on my diagrams.  They didn't as they did not have the experience to effectively deal with a mass domestic shooting inside a residential property.

Can someone please provide any details of cases Paul Terzeon and Geoffrey Rivlin had experience of that involved firearms prior to WHF.

« Last Edit: April 23, 2016, 01:34:17 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2016, 01:21:23 PM »
Scipio if you want to have the last say fine.  I'm getting bored going round in ever increasing circles.  As far as I'm concerned my theory fits with the gunshot trajectories, NB's injuries, blood staining and casings.  We will have to agree to disagree.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2016, 06:58:35 PM »
The GSW NB sustained to his left elbow and chest cavity where the bullet did not actually pentrate but grazed only with fragments found in the chest cavity had to be fired when the perp was behind.  The elblow could have been positioned parallel with the chest cavity or slightly forward or behind.  The bullet must have skimmed both the elbow and chest cavity.

The following article by Dr Laura Perry re Suspraspinatus Trigger points highlights the outside of the shoulder which fits with the fact that the GSW NB sustained to his shoulder caused a comminuted fracture of the upper third of the humerus - see diagram below.  It is clear to me that NB sustained the elbow and shoulder shot when the perp was behind him on the main staircase.

http://www.triggerpointtherapist.com/blog/supraspinatus-trigger-points/treating-stubborn-supraspinatus-trigger-points/


1) Graze wound.

First of all you keep ignoring the elephant int he room which is the location of the bullet that grazed Neivll. It would be on the stairs if he were grazed while going down the stairs but it was found in the bedroom.  You are not doing yourself any favors by ignoring such it just harms your credibility.

Second it's absolutely impossible for Nevill to have had his back directly to the shooter. There is no way for someone looking at this back to graze the arm in the manner in the direction in which it was grazed.  The bullet went left to right above his elbow and then hit his side. That can only be achieved if the killer was standing virtually directly to his side.



From behind there are only 3 grazes possible to be inflicted to his upper arm:

1) back to front across his shoulder

2) back to front across the outside of his upper arm

3) back to front across the inside of his upper arm.

In all 3 cases the gaze would be from behind to front and the bullet would land in front of him not his his side because the bullet is traveling forward.

If the shooter is to his left side then the graze wound would be left to right and be able to hit his side since his side is to the right of the wound channel.

2) Shoulder wound.

The entrance wound was on the outer aspect of the shoulder. It is absolutely impossible to hit the out aspect from directly behind someone except if you graze them. The bullet did not simply graze him it entered and traveled left to right.



This is before even taking into account the casings which you are also dead wrong about.
   
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2016, 07:04:25 PM »
Scipio if you want to have the last say fine.  I'm getting bored going round in ever increasing circles.  As far as I'm concerned my theory fits with the gunshot trajectories, NB's injuries, blood staining and casings.  We will have to agree to disagree.

We are going in circles because we disagree on the key issues.  Your claims Sheila shot Nevill at he came up the stairs and ran back down so you can advance that Jeremy's claims are true.  Your claims that Nevill was shot are not supported by the evidence.

If you want to advance that someone positioned to the right side of Nevill could shoot his left side go ahead but when you say the defense was inept for not advancing such then there is a problem. 
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 10:14:04 AM by Holly Goodhead »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2016, 09:03:52 PM »
The handrail curves in the hallway itself not on the stairs. This view of the handrail from the bedroom is viewing the hall not the steps, the steps are hidden by the door/wall that the door hands on:



Someone on the stop step has the wall blocking their head:



You keep ignoring the wall blocking the view of the stairs.  Moreover you still keep ignoring it is the right side of the face that could be targeted even if the killer were at an extreme angle int he room and to see part of the head of someone who is on the stairs.

Here is what someone in the bedroom standing near the chair might be able to see if Nevill isn't hugging the wall but was as far as he possibly can be away from the wall while on the top step.  The yellow stripes reflect the area that the wall/door would still be blocking even with him as far to the left of the step as possible:



What part of Nevill could be targeted?  The right side not his left.  His left was facing sheila's door!  This was explained to you countless times.  Surely you understand the difference between right and left.

Not only would the right side be targeted, the shots would travel from right to left.  Nevill's wounds featured the bullets traveling left to right and it was the left side of his skull that was hit.   

You are placing the shooter on the opposite side of where the shooter was.

Here is Nevill on the stairs. The bedroom is to his right and our left.  The red is where the shooter was firing from.
You have the shooter on the wrong side. You can ignore this all you like but it doesn't prevent you from being completely wrong.


 
You have failed to address the elephant in the room which is that while Nevill was walking up the stairs his right side would be facing the bedroom and thus the right side of his face would be facing those inside the bedroom and thus even if the walls did not block the killer from shooting at him the best a shooter could do  would be to target his right side and the bullets would travel right to left across his body. This makes your claims totally impossible no matter what you say.

I disagree with the above illustrations.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 09:10:43 AM by Holly Goodhead »

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2016, 10:30:21 PM »
Scip I disagree with your illustrations.

My brother won the art awards in school, not me. You are lucky I stuck a skull on top of my stick man on the stairs.   

As poor as they look you can understand the concept and that is what matters not how nice the drawings look.

It is easy to see the right side faces the bedroom while walking up the stairs. Since Nevill was shot from the left not the right that rules out the possibility of being shot walking up the stairs from the bedroom.  If you want to argue he was shot in the face on the stairs you have to put the killer near Sheila's door.  As bad as they may be they get this and the other points I was making across.

Drawings of this kind of campiness is my MO I am known for stick figures.  Many people find it amusing...

 
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 09:12:19 AM by Holly Goodhead »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2016, 10:43:05 AM »
A reminder to all posters.  We do not tolerate aggressively themed posts and/or the use of inflammatory language. A number of posts have been edited this morning and the posters concerned have been advised of such by pm with copies sent to Admin.

Please check your posts before posting and find the right balance between asserting your views without becoming overly aggressive.

Thank you for your cooperation.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2016, 10:46:32 AM »
A speculative view from the main bedroom looking towards the landing, based on the scaled plans of WHF. The perspective of the door looks awry but that's dependent on the field of view setting of the human eye and is the best achievable with the CAD program used. What is not shown are obstacles (such as a chair, clothing and shoes on the floor to the right, and June's body if she was already lying in the doorway) which the shooter had to avoid walking into or stepping on whilst aiming at someone coming upstairs... https://vimeo.com/163370051
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2016, 10:59:54 AM »
A speculative view from the main bedroom looking towards the landing, based on the scaled plans of WHF. The perspective of the door looks awry but that's dependent on the field of view setting of the human eye and is the best achievable with the CAD program used. What is not shown are obstacles (such as a chair, clothing and shoes on the floor to the right, and June's body if she was already lying in the doorway) which the shooter had to avoid walking into or stepping on whilst aiming at someone coming upstairs... https://vimeo.com/163370051

The following photo shows the entrance.  I can see June's hand in the right hand corner.  I don't know what the black image is?  Maybe a shadow?  The marker pointing to spent bullet DRH/5.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2016, 03:05:06 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2016, 11:28:26 AM »
The following photo shows the entrance.  I can see June's hand in the right hand corner.  I don't know what the black image is?  Maybe a shadow?  The marker pointing to spent bullet DRH/5.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5920

It's been mentioned before... just a black garment such as a cardigan or long stockings, also seen in the photo of June which you probably have in your WHF picture file. I don't like to keep posting it here.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2016, 03:16:26 PM »
The following photo shows the entrance.  I can see June's hand in the right hand corner.  I don't know what the black image is?  Maybe a shadow?  The marker pointing to spent bullet DRH/5.

It never ceases to amaze what one finds even after all this time.  It was claimed elsewhere that the rifle never moved from that position yet it is clear from studying before and after photos that the rifle leaning against the window photo was taken long after the crimescene was disturbed with clothing laid out over adjacent chairs.  The photograph depicting the rifle clearly was taken long after the body was discovered.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2016, 03:20:17 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.
« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2016, 04:35:07 PM »
The following photo shows the entrance.  I can see June's hand in the right hand corner.  I don't know what the black image is?  Maybe a shadow?  The marker pointing to spent bullet DRH/5.

That photo was taken from the bottom stairs the stairs are facing the doorway. When standing on the stairs that are adjacent to the bedroom wall you don't have that sort of view inside.

In the meantime the right side is facing the master bedroom. It is impossible to be inside the master bedroom and shoot the left side of someone who is on the stairs adjacent to the bedroom wall.

Myster's illustration is not exact but does show how you can' even see the stairs at all unless in the part of the room where the chair is and how close or far away from the door will determine how much you can see.  The location on the stair also matters the further to the wall the less that will be visible no matter how far back someone is standing.

The 4 left wounds Nevill suffered are impossible to achieve while he was on the stairs adjacent to the bedroom wall and the shooter was in the master bedroom.
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli