Jeremy Bamber - The case in a nutshell.

[Holly Goodhead]

It never ceases to amaze what one finds even after all this time.  It was claimed elsewhere that the rifle never moved from that position yet it is clear from studying before and after photos that the rifle leaning against the window photo was taken long after the crimescene was disturbed with clothing laid out over adjacent chairs.  The photograph depicting the rifle clearly was taken long after the body was discovered.

I've never really understood the argument about the rifle at the window?  Is MT claiming based on the order of the crime scene photos the rifle was moved before PC Bird took photos?

I'm assuming police firearms look very different?

Is there also another photo showing the rifle at the window in the box room which adjoins the master bedroom?  Or am I getting confused?

[Myster]

Getting confused is a way of life for you... darlin'!

No, there's no photo of a rifle or any other weapon in the Boxroom that anyone is aware of... that's another myth.

Not an Anschutz 525 among them... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom

[John]

I've never really understood the argument about the rifle at the window?  Is MT claiming based on the order of the crime scene photos the rifle was moved before PC Bird took photos?

I'm assuming police firearms look very different?

Is there also another photo showing the rifle at the window in the box room which adjoins the master bedroom?  Or am I getting confused?

Assuming for a moment what Mike claims about the negative numbers is valid, he merely points out the obvious.  PC Bird photographed the bedroom depicting the rifle leaning against the window before photographing Sheila with the rifle lying on top of her.  All this does is confirm that the rifle was moved and then moved again before being repositioned on Sheila body.

For their part firearms officers confirmed that they removed the rifle initially to make it safe and then again to allow the doctor to examine the deceased.  No mystery, no conspiracy, simply common sense!

[John]

It is understandable that members can become frustrated when they fail to get their arguments across but there is no need to be condescending or abusive when responding to others.

Please keep comments constructive and friendly. TY

[scipio_usmc]

I've never really understood the argument about the rifle at the window?  Is MT claiming based on the order of the crime scene photos the rifle was moved before PC Bird took photos?

I'm assuming police firearms look very different?

Is there also another photo showing the rifle at the window in the box room which adjoins the master bedroom?  Or am I getting confused?

There are multiple claims not simply one.  1 is that Jeapes saw the murder weapon in the window and that it was subsequently grabbed by Sheila to shoot herself.  Another is that it was grabbed by police and used to shoot Sheila and put it by the window again then later moved it near her body.  Yet another is that it was a different rifle than the Anschutz but also used in the murders.  He has claimed that Anthony's rifle was also used so 2 rifles from WHF plus police weapons used on top of it. The argument changes constantly which makes it hard to comprehend.

They don't see confusion as a problem they like confusion thinking that people will just give up trying to understand and just support them and accept whatever they claim.

[adam]

From what I have read and watched from Mike and the OS, it seems they are saying the police shot Sheila. Although Mike has also said Sheila shot herself.

Either way, Sheila landed on the bed. The crime scene photographer then took pictures of Sheila on the bed and of the rifle by the window.

The police then moved Sheila from the bed to the floor. Mike at first said this was because they were looking for a gun on the bed. He later said the police were looking for rifle cartridges. Mike said about 18 months ago he has a picture of Sheila on the bed, which were with his legal advisors.

Once Sheila was on the floor the police decided to put the rifle by the window across her. Then take pictures and submit them as the official crime scene pictures. This was because for some reason they did not want to admit they shot Sheila. Although Mike has previously said she shot herself.

The police carelessly did not destroy the pictures of the rifle by the window, or the picture of Sheila on the bed. The photo of the rifle by the window is available for the public. The photo of Sheila on the bed has yet to be released.

The police were successful in creating a murder/suicide crime scene. But then changed their minds a month later and decided to frame Bamber.