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Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #90 on: April 18, 2016, 10:23:20 PM »

So what have they found that will solve the case ?
I couldn't know that, just observing that they have now put a very senior investigator onto the case.

Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #91 on: April 18, 2016, 10:24:19 PM »
 8)-)))
But for the steps at the side of the apartment, Casa Maria reminds me very much of the outside of 5A.

End apartment, recessed front door and car park wall immediately outside.  Must be quite a few similar apartments in Luz in the same phase of building.

You are right Brietta. Casa María is in block 4.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2016/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-more-on.html


stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #92 on: April 18, 2016, 10:26:08 PM »
I couldn't know that, just observing that they have now put a very senior investigator onto the case.


and the key points..

Have they found how Madeleine was removed from the apartment or who did it ?

Have they determined her fate ?


Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #93 on: April 18, 2016, 10:47:43 PM »
(snip) ... reminds me very much of the outside of 5A.
End apartment, recessed front door and car park wall immediately outside.  ... (snip)
You have good observation skills Bretta, indeed it is similar.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #94 on: April 19, 2016, 01:03:52 AM »
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Rodhouse  is commenting on the case on Sky news. He is the gold commander of Operation Yewtree.

http://news.sky.com/story/1680884/police-still-hope-madeleine-can-be-found-alive
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #95 on: April 19, 2016, 02:39:34 AM »
"The British officers questioned them on suspicion of being part of a burglary gang that panicked after killing Madeleine during a bungled break-in. They all protested their innocence and were released without charge."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/16/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/

GA: "What is very serious, alarming even, is their attempt to stage a new thesis – a theory if you prefer – that involves someone, a burglar (who breaks into the apartment) intent on stealing, is frightened by a three-year old child, kills her and then takes the body with him –  a rather far-fetching scenario (to say the least).

I remember a colleague, a British colleague who also happened to be from Scotland Yard, proposing exactly the same thesis (by the way, he was the only one from Scotland Yard  around at the time).

We analysed this hypothesis at the time; discussed it and eventually dismissed it as implausible.

They talk about drug traffickers, dealers who suddenly (presumably), had the imaginative idea  to burglar a house for keeps. The fallacy is, there is no way to prove that apartment was burgled; there are no signs of a forced entry. Nothing was stolen from there."

(MP): There are those bank statements…

(GA): Which bank statements? The ones they found on that path? Rubbish? We are talking here of garbage they have been collecting, none of which is associated with…

The bank statements are not from the McCanns’; they were not removed from their apartment. Nothing was removed from that apartment. Nothing was stolen. The only “thing” that was removed from there – and I say “thing” in brackets for it was not a “thing”, it was a person – the only “thing” missing from there, was Madeleine McCann!

Not a television set, not a camera, not a thing!  There were no traces of a break-in either!  Therefore there was no burglary. Not theft took place in there.

Now we are asked to assume that these burglars were extremely intelligent and  decided to take a dead child with them (dead because they killed her or because she died of fright). That they might have thought: “Let’s take the child away with us, because the consequences of an homicide are much worst than those a theft”.

And to make it all more plausible, they are supposed to have simulated a kidnapping – which is where that story of the window found open with the slats of the blind jimmied and the curtains blown by a draft, comes in as if to suggest the child was taken through it, and so on.

Fine thinking!  The problem is, there are no signs of a theft (or a break-into the apartment for that matter)…

It seems these burglars must have been very intelligent indeed! Unfortunately, soon afterwards, they run out of common sense and leave the body not far from the crime scene. That was not so clever, was it? It was as if, suddenly, their intelligence had gone.

Another thing that does not seem to match reality is this – they were supposed to be three of them and have arrived at the apartment by feet and yet, if you recall, only one of them was seen carrying the child towards those fields (the British police are searching).

But fair enough! It could have happened as they imagine it did. There were several mobile phone pings in that area (whatever that means)  the problem is, I don’t see anything, garbage or otherwise, capable of giving any substance to Scotland Yard’s new thesis.

https://zizipresscuts.wordpress.com/2014/06/08/dr-goncalo-amaral-on-scotland-yards-staging-in-praia-da-luz/

**snip
(GA) It’s easy. They appear as a result of checking the records of mobile phones numbers used in that area around the time of the crime –  that very same night say, and then finding out who owns them and who has a criminal record.

But, to assume these traffickers were also thieves – that is quite a leap of faith! To presume traffickers go around burgling houses, reveals a complete lack of understanding of drug trafficking in Algarve, what it entails, and the people behind it.

Translators note: Dr. Goncalo Amaral ought to know for he was once head of a police squad involved in the fight against drug-trafficking.
 

But fair enough, they could have been talking about dealers who sell a few drugs and then go around stealing to support their own addiction.
https://zizipresscuts.wordpress.com/2014/06/08/dr-goncalo-amaral-on-scotland-yards-staging-in-praia-da-luz/


**snip
Ricardo Macedo and Dias Santos, respectively Chief Inspector in assets and now retired engineer, two historical paintings of combating drug trafficking of the Judicial Police, were this morning held a mega-operation's own PJ under suspicion of corruption and money laundering, the receipt of major trafficking networks gloves, to provide inside information and create diversions, within the PJ, which allowed the entry of large amounts of cocaine in Portugal in recent years, thus escaping the police control. There are connections, found the CM, one of the major drug cartels in South America.
**snip
The investigation, according to PJ, will continue with a view to collect more evidence. The latest scandal to hit the PJ department responsible for combating drug trafficking occurred in 2007: the coordinator Ana Paula Matos was investigated and arrested later by embezzling 94,000 euros seizures of the drug dealers. Eventually sentenced to seven years and is held in Brazil awaiting extradition.
http://.....2.forumotion.co.uk/t5212-pj-inspectors-arrested-over-drug-trafficking


Portuguese Judges, Prosecutors and the Policia Judiciaria have been working on many cases of historic corruption, money laundering and those responsible for facilitating major drug dealings in the Algarve.

For Mr Amaral to declare that the reopened Scotland Yard investigation "reveals a complete lack of understanding of drug trafficking in Algarve, what it entails, and the people behind it" when one realises what was going on under his nose when and on his watch "he was once head of a police squad involved in the fight against drug-trafficking"

Recent events have proved him as inept at that job as he was in his role as coordinator of the investigation into the case of a missing child ... where again he seems to have failed to pick up on what was going on right under his nose.

For Mr Amaral to make an appearance on television to criticise SY resuming the search for Madeleine in the disparaging manner he did reflects badly on him, not SY ... they are after all doing the job he failed to do.

One awaits with interest his next lengthy interview and his pronouncements about Scotland Yard's latest statement saying Madeleine could still be found alive.
Although I'm not too sure there will be another interview with him by any serious TV channel.

As time passes and it has become more and more evident that a lot more could and should have been done nearly nine years ago to find Madeleine alive until there was definitive proof of death, not a theory ~ no-one is going to be very interested in what he has to say.

That Scotland Yard have had to justify continuing to work on a missing child case when there are still investigative opportunities to be pursued is absolutely shameful.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #96 on: April 19, 2016, 06:26:25 AM »
Please stay on-topic.
Thank you.
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #97 on: April 19, 2016, 07:07:05 AM »
I couldn't know that, just observing that they have now put a very senior investigator onto the case.

They did that with Hall..........................

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #98 on: April 19, 2016, 07:13:46 AM »
It's good to see that SY believe there are still lines of enquiry to investigate and again it is obvious that the parents are not suspects

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #99 on: April 19, 2016, 07:32:52 AM »
It's good to see that SY believe there are still lines of enquiry to investigate and again it is obvious that the parents are not suspects

Amazing how you get all of that out of "work still to be done".
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #100 on: April 19, 2016, 07:48:38 AM »
The police chief admitted detectives did not have a “full understanding” of what happened to Madeleine.........

i.e. police talk for we don't have a clue.

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #101 on: April 19, 2016, 08:01:22 AM »
capital letters show how frustrated you are...the case is ongoing and not finished...they may apply for further funding...fact

I'm not frustrated in the slightest.


However, those who perpetuate the abduction story are going to remain VERY DISAPPOINTED.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #102 on: April 19, 2016, 08:03:49 AM »
I'm not frustrated in the slightest.


However, those who perpetuate the abduction story are going to remain VERY DISAPPOINTED.


Capital letters again...calm down......posting your opinion as fact again

Offline faithlilly

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #103 on: April 19, 2016, 10:48:00 AM »
From the Journal of Homicide and Major Crime Investigation produced by the National Policing Homicide Working group which has Mick Duthie as a member.

"South Yorkshire Police supplied support in the form of Victim Recovery Dogs (VRD). Ultimately the VRDs and their handlers discovered Pamela’s ‘deposition grave site’, following a combination of further search and investigation which narrowed down a specific area of interest."

Very interesting piece on the search for Pamela Jackson and recovery of her body by the cadaver dogs from page 57.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/J_Homicide_MII/J_Homicide_10.1.pdf






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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann detective: we still hope to find her alive
« Reply #104 on: April 19, 2016, 10:50:16 AM »
From the Journal of Homicide and Major Crime Investigation produced by the National Policing Homicide Working group which has Mick Duthie as a member.

"South Yorkshire Police supplied support in the form of Victim Recovery Dogs (VRD). Ultimately the VRDs and their handlers discovered Pamela’s ‘deposition grave site’, following a combination of further search and investigation which narrowed down a specific area of interest."

He'll certainly know the value of the cadaver dog alerts.

and their limitations...he is saying Maddie may still be alive
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