The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[Mr Gray]

Why are you making it sound as if no forensics were done on the bed?

Tests and searches for hair, blood, biological fluids, chloroform were donei, all negative

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

You need to provide a reliable site that mentions the bedclothes were sent to the laundry without forensics being done, you will I imagne struggle extremely hard

I'm sure carana will supply it...it has been discussed many times before. The sheets were searched visually but a dna sweep was not carried out. The sheets were then sent to the laundry...a massive error. I will see if i can find a site(sic)

[Mr Gray]

Amaral agrees - none of those sheets should have been removed.

THE REPORTS LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED

The examination of the premises by the investigator and the representative of the forensic police just after the announcement of the disappearance turns out to be quite unproductive. A concise report, where their observations are written up, is accompanied by numerous photographs taken inside and outside apartment 5A - which don't give an account of, according to us, everything they could have observed. This error is explained by the absence of procedures in case of a child's disappearance, notably concerning the actions to be taken when examining the scene.

Lots of people were already in place; however, nobody appeared in the photos. We don't know, for example, how they were dressed. Such observations can turn out to be important later on. The report mentions that the twins were asleep in their bed, but there is no proof to confirm it; on the contrary, in the photographs, you can see empty cots, where only the mattresses remain - the sheets and blankets having been removed. Why have their beds been stripped? If the sheets had not been removed, traces of their presence could have been found there. (TOTL)


there's a start...

Detectives investigating the case of the missing four-year-old faced renewed criticism after it emerged that they did not collect the bedding from the room where Madeleine was sleeping.


Blankets, sheets and pillows from Madeleine's bed were not examined for evidence that could have shed light on what happened on the night of May 3.


Portugal's National Institute of Legal Medicine said they had received samples taken from the bedding but not the items themselves.


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"We were only sent samples for DNA testing.

"It's obvious it would have been good if they had sent us the blankets, pillows and even the mattress where the girl was sleeping," said a source from the institute.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569487/Madeleine-McCann-Police-blunders-revealed.html

[mercury]

You say "theres a start" only its a non starter, as you have misunderstood what amaral was talking about

He was talking about the twins bedding being taken to the Paynes apartment on the famlys request...not stripped off by police and bunged in the washer

Your other newspaper quotes are also good examples of misleading and distorting the truth...it is NOT true that no forensics were done on the bed

Perhaps if it was a clear cut murder and dead body case on the night dna sweep would have been more thorough

Do police in the UK dna sweep a house immediately when a chld is reported missing?

[pegasus]

(snip)... or she could have been frozen by fear ... (snip)

Look at the "monster" game which is documented in the files.
It wouldn't work if children "froze with fear".
The game would be over in a few seconds.
And it wouldn't work if children walked calmly towards danger.
Again the game would be over in a few seconds.

The instinctive reaction of a child to a sudden terrifying danger is to run away from it.

[pegasus]

If a 3 year old child ran away from a stranger outside opening her bedroom shutter and window in the middle of the night, which room would she run to, and why?

This really is nursery-school-level behavioural analysis.

I mean that literally - ask a class of nursery school children those two questions - and every one of them will solve them both instantly.

[Brietta]

Look at the "monster" game which is documented in the files.
It wouldn't work if children "froze with fear".
The game would be over in a few seconds.
And it wouldn't work if children walked calmly towards danger.
Again the game would be over in a few seconds.

The instinctive reaction of a child to a sudden terrifying danger is to run away from it.

A child might walk calmly towards danger because the danger is not recognised as such.  Every single one of the children who were allowed by their parents to take part in the video experiments linked to by Heri ... entered a 'stranger danger'  situation voluntarily because they didn't recognise the perils of their situation.

There is a huge difference in a terrifying game played with people who personify every confidence and security of the child ... and real terror.

[pegasus]

A child might walk calmly towards danger because the danger is not recognised as such.  Every single one of the children who were allowed by their parents to take part in the video experiments linked to by Heri ... entered a 'stranger danger'  situation voluntarily because they didn't recognise the perils of their situation.

There is a huge difference in a terrifying game played with people who personify every confidence and security of the child ... and real terror.

When you were a tiny 3 year old Brietta, if you had been awoken in the dark in the middle of the night by someone opening your bedroom window from outside, I think you would have shot out of your bedroom faster than lightning.

[Brietta]

When you were a tiny 3 year old Brietta, if you had been awoken in the dark in the middle of the night by someone opening your bedroom window from outside, I think you would have shot out of your bedroom faster than lightning.

I remember many instances when I was a three year old ~ I was a precocious and very independent child.  I do not think flight would have been my reaction ... I would have stood my ground and perhaps shouted for my parents.  I think Madeleine might very well have reacted likewise, particularly as the twins were in the room.

[Lace]

You say "theres a start" only its a non starter, as you have misunderstood what amaral was talking about

He was talking about the twins bedding being taken to the Paynes apartment on the famlys request...not stripped off by police and bunged in the washer

Your other newspaper quotes are also good examples of misleading and distorting the truth...it is NOT true that no forensics were done on the bed

Perhaps if it was a clear cut murder and dead body case on the night dna sweep would have been more thorough

Do police in the UK dna sweep a house immediately when a chld is reported missing?

Yet the forensic lab said they wish the bedding had been kept for them to examine,  I will try and find the quote.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-494203/Madeleine-How-police-ruined-forensic-evidence-bedroom.html

[Benice]

Yet the forensic lab said they wish the bedding had been kept for them to examine,  I will try and find the quote.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-494203/Madeleine-How-police-ruined-forensic-evidence-bedroom.html

Quote from the files.

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative
unquote

I understand that to mean that all they did was to physically smell the pillow.  Hardly as efficient as tests which a forensic lab would carry out IMO.   

[stephen25000]

Quote from the files.

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative
unquote

I understand that to mean that all they did was to physically smell the pillow.  Hardly as efficient as tests which a forensic lab would carry out IMO.

Have you ever smelt Trichloromethane ?

[Mr Gray]

You say "theres a start" only its a non starter, as you have misunderstood what amaral was talking about

He was talking about the twins bedding being taken to the Paynes apartment on the famlys request...not stripped off by police and bunged in the washer

Your other newspaper quotes are also good examples of misleading and distorting the truth...it is NOT true that no forensics were done on the bed

Perhaps if it was a clear cut murder and dead body case on the night dna sweep would have been more thorough

Do police in the UK dna sweep a house immediately when a chld is reported missing?

it looks like you are wrong...and also wrong to say I never supply cites...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-494203/Madeleine-How-police-ruined-forensic-evidence-bedroom.html

[Heriberto Janosch]

Role-playing game?

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2016/05/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-role.html

[pegasus]

(snip) I would have stood my ground and perhaps shouted for my parents(snip)

What would you have done next Brietta?

[pegasus]

On the two assumptions, that the shutter was opened from outside, and that the child was awoken by the noise, it can be deduced which room the child would go to, initially at least.