The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[sadie]

I was on May 4, from 21:00 to 22:00, in Tapas Bar and block 5 zone. I took pictures from the same position at 21:15 and 21:50, to be analyzed in Madrid.

I am more convinced now that the abduction took place between 21:40 and 2200, with Russell inside 5D, Jane walking from Tapas Bar to 5D, and the other 7 adults at the table.

It was a great pleasure to have long conversations with ShiningInLuz. SIL is doing a great job on the case.

Had the bushes been newly cut back as on May 3rd 2007 Heri?   Cos that is important.   Greenery grows extraordinarily fast in PT

[pegasus]

I was on May 4, from 21:00 to 22:00, in Tapas Bar and block 5 zone. I took pictures from the same position at 21:15 and 21:50, to be analyzed in Madrid. (snip)

Excellent Heri because at 21:15-21:50, on both 4 May 2016 and 3 May 2007, the moon was well below the horizon, contributing no light, so your photos will be accurate representation of the natural light level.

[pegasus]

(snip) I am more convinced now that the abduction took place between 21:40 and 2200, with Russell inside 5D, Jane walking from Tapas Bar to 5D, and the other 7 adults at the table. (snip)

Very good, so the number of T9 walking through the carpark, after the window and shutter were opened, is reduced to 2. (JT going from tapas to 5D, then ROB going from 5D to tapas)

It is possible to go further with this. If the window and shutter were opened after ROB returned from 5D to tapas, and just before KM left tapas, then the number of T9 walking through the carpark, after the window and shutter were opened, is zero. In this scenario, at the moment the window and shutter were opened, JT would be in 5D and the other 8 would be at the table.

[misty]

According to the Sun:-
"According to The Sun, phone calls raise questions about the group's actions on the night of the three-year-old's disappearance.

It's claimed they have been identified as suspects by British police, but officers are being blocked from accessing them by Portuguese cops who say no new evidence has been brought forward.

An officer told the paper: 'It has dogged the investigation all the way through and it's happening again.

'If we can't question the three suspects again the trail goes cold and the case will be shelved.'

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According to Carlos Anjos on http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7195.0

"They want to talk with three people, it should be said that of these three I can almost guess who they are going to try pin the blame on for the abduction - on the one that died. Of the three men there's one that has already died, and that is always the weakest link.."
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Proof positive that the UK "police source" doesn't have a clue what is actually going on?

[sadie]

Excellent Heri because at 21:15-21:50, on both 4 May 2016 and 3 May 2007, the moon was well below the horizon, contributing no light, so your photos will be accurate representation of the natural light level.

Unfortunaterly Pegasus, that is not quite true.

New street lights have been fitted since Madeleine was taken.   Also the lighting from adjoining apartments might not be the same, cos people might be in the adjoining apartments whilst on May 3rd. 2007, most of the apartments were in near darkness cos the occupiers were mainly eating in the Tapas restaurant.

At the front, the trees were covering the street lamps and blanking most of the light out.  Now these trees have been cut right down, so far geater illumination.  Also a damned great lamp has been fitted to the wall, high up but almost directly above Madeleines window.   So the lighting situation is very different.

[pegasus]

Unfortunaterly Pegasus, that is not quite true.

New street lights have been fitted since Madeleine was taken.   Also the lighting from adjoining apartments might not be the same, cos people might be in the adjoining apartments whilst on May 3rd. 2007, most of the apartments were in near darkness cos the occupiers were mainly eating in the Tapas restaurant.

At the front, the trees were covering the street lamps and blanking most of the light out.  Now these trees have been cut right down, so far geater illumination.  Also a damned great lamp has been fitted to the wall, high up but almost directly above Madeleines window.   So the lighting situation is very different.

I said that the natural light level (no sun, no moon) was the same 2115-2200 4th May 2016 as 2115-2200 3rd May 2007 Sadie. Yes the streetlighting and plants have changed (but the children's bedroom is still completely invisible from tapas).

[Heriberto Janosch]

Is Anjos confused? He appears to be merging Euclides Monteiro with José Carlos, Ricardo and Paulo.

[Mr Gray]

Is Anjos confused? He appears to be merging Euclides Monteiro with José Carlos, Ricardo and Paulo.

#I noticed that...Anjos is very confused

[stephen25000]

Is Anjos confused? He appears to be merging Euclides Monteiro with José Carlos, Ricardo and Paulo.

There is nothing to be confused about.

The SY investigation is coming to a close with no evidence of abduction.

Just as it was in the original Portuguese investigation.

[Mr Gray]

There is nothing to be confused about.

The SY investigation is coming to a close with no evidence of abduction.

Just as it was in the original Portuguese investigation.

you obviously haven't understood what anjos wrote about the dead suspect...Anjos is confused

[stephen25000]

What suspects would they be ?

The Portuguese have made it abundantly clear, that if SY wish to ask more questions of these people, they need to provide some evidence /reason to do so.

I am afraid that those sticking their head in the sand over 'abduction' are on a major loser.

[pegasus]

If the child was awake it would be impossible for the child to not see and hear the window and shutter being opened.
What would you have done when you saw and heard that happening to your window when you were 3?
And BTW, there is very clear evidence that it did happen.

[pegasus]

The burglary attempt via that window would inevitably and instantly become an interrupted burglary before entry IMO.

[Brietta]

The burglary attempt via that window would inevitably and instantly become an interrupted burglary, before entry.

The thing is, Pegasus, it does not have to have been an interrupted or botched burglary ... it could have been a successful burglary, everything going as planned with the burglars making off with one of the most valuable items in the apartment.
I think the entry was via the wooden door and I think a key was used.

[pegasus]

The thing is, Pegasus, it does not have to have been an interrupted or botched burglary ... it could have been a successful burglary, everything going as planned with the burglars making off with one of the most valuable items in the apartment.
I think the entry was via the wooden door and I think a key was used.

I think you're making it far too complicated Brietta.
All the previous illicit window openings in blocks 5 and 4 were by petty burglars.
They were stealing things like foreign currency, a video camera, mobile phones, and a TV.
The only reason they didn't steal anything at 5A is that they were unexpectedly interrupted.