The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[Brietta]

I can read without my eyes being bombarded by large bold text, if you dont mind

As i said because something has happened before is no evidence it did in this case, so, remains, a theory

The point is ... the case to which I refer was unprecedented.

It was unheard of for a stranger to walk into a family home ... lift a child out of her bath ... and abduct her.

People found it unbelievable because it had never happened before ... and thought the police were wrong in their assertion that was what had happened.

Of course the police were only going on the evidence and the family version of events. 

Thankfully, that little girl was recovered and returned to the bosom of her family.
Had she not been ... had she vanished without trace ... just as Madeleine McCann did ... what proof would there have been of stranger abduction apart from a wet adult footprint on the bathroom floor and a missing child?

[Brietta]

And Diane Webster's claim that she could not raise the shutter without it buckling or the film crew who tried to open the window and damaged it. What of that evidence ?

Please provide a cite for the film crew damaging a shutter.

Not that it really matters as we have seen Heri and another person doing so without damage. So we know it can be done.

[faithlilly]

Please provide a cite for the film crew damaging a shutter.

Not that it really matters as we have seen Heri and another person doing so without damage. So we know it can be done.

"- Back at 5A of the Ocean Club, on 26 September someone forced up the external blinds of the front bedroom to an oblique angle. There appeared to be no attempt to force open the window. The security guard stated between 21:00 and 21:05 he had done the 'rounds' of the block, then walked down to the supermarket and back again whereupon he found the damage which he called in immediately.
- He and a colleague from the same security detail had conversed shortly before 21:00 noting that neither had seen any strangers other than two Canadian television journalists, a man and a woman, who had been seen at a nearby bar.
- Given the limited damage and that there had been many people at that location [presumably during the previous days and all authorised] there was no attempt to retrieve fingerprints, but inquiries were made of TV crews and journalists in and around Luz and Lagos, without result."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DCCB_LETTER.htm

Do you have video evidence of Heri lifting the shutters of 5a from the outside ?

[Brietta]

"- Back at 5A of the Ocean Club, on 26 September someone forced up the external blinds of the front bedroom to an oblique angle. There appeared to be no attempt to force open the window. The security guard stated between 21:00 and 21:05 he had done the 'rounds' of the block, then walked down to the supermarket and back again whereupon he found the damage which he called in immediately.
- He and a colleague from the same security detail had conversed shortly before 21:00 noting that neither had seen any strangers other than two Canadian television journalists, a man and a woman, who had been seen at a nearby bar.
- Given the limited damage and that there had been many people at that location [presumably during the previous days and all authorised] there was no attempt to retrieve fingerprints, but inquiries were made of TV crews and journalists in and around Luz and Lagos, without result."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DCCB_LETTER.htm

Do you have video evidence of Heri lifting the shutters of 5a from the outside ?

Thank you for your cite as requested.
Interesting to note how quickly and how quietly the 'journalists' managed to raise the shutter and were able to do so without being seen in a locus patrolled by security guards.


You may know that Heri did not raise the shutters of 5A from outside as he was refused permission to do so.

[faithlilly]

Thank you for your cite as requested.
Interesting to note how quickly and how quietly the 'journalists' managed to raise the shutter and were able to do so without being seen in a locus patrolled by security guards.


You may know that Heri did not raise the shutters of 5A from outside as he was refused permission to do so.

More interesting, I'm sure you'll agree, is that neither Diane Webster nor the 'journalists' managed to raise the shutters without damaging them and the fact the Heri wasn't allowed,, as you said, to raise the shutters of 5a and the ex policeman who did did so many months after the disappreance when we can have no idea what state of repair the shutters where already in is proof of nothing very much.

[pathfinder73]

Thank you for your cite as requested.
Interesting to note how quickly and how quietly the 'journalists' managed to raise the shutter and were able to do so without being seen in a locus patrolled by security guards.


You may know that Heri did not raise the shutters of 5A from outside as he was refused permission to do so.

Kate said the shutters were fully raised. You can't fully raise the shutters from the outside as demonstrated here. Heri and Pegasus are presuming a window was unlocked and they have no evidence. The only evidence on the window was found on the inside pointing to being opened from there. The McCanns should be asked point blank. Why didn't you check that the kids window was locked and secure before putting them in that room for the week?

[Brietta]

More interesting, I'm sure you'll agree, is that neither Diane Webster nor the 'journalists' managed to raise the shutters without damaging them and the fact the Heri wasn't allowed,, as you said, to raise the shutters of 5a and the ex policeman that did did so many months after the disappreance when we can have no idea what state of repair the shutters where already in is proof of nothing very much.

The shutters did not appear to be an impediment to those burglars operating in Luz who gained entry via windows.

Neither Dianne Webster, Gerald McCann, Peter Mac or the film crew?/journalists had the slightest notion of the technique required to raise the shutter and keep them there.  Neither would we if Heri hadn't worked out how to do it and demonstrated the same.

It is worth remembering that it has been a shibboleth that it was impossible to raise the shutter from outside ... quite patently ... it is not.
Amazing that people can be so entirely wrong in relation to something so fundamental ...

[stephen25000]

The shutters did not appear to be an impediment to those burglars operating in Luz who gained entry via windows.

Neither Dianne Webster, Gerald McCann, Peter Mac or the film crew?/journalists had the slightest notion of the technique required to raise the shutter and keep them there.  Neither would we if Heri hadn't worked out how to do it and demonstrated the same.

It is worth remembering that it has been a shibboleth that it was impossible to raise the shutter from outside ... quite patently ... it is not.
Amazing that people can be so entirely wrong in relation to something so fundamental ...

Yet we know neither the shutters or windows were tampered with in the apartment, no matter what claims were made before they were dropped.

[pathfinder73]

The only fingerprints were found on the inside of the window not outside and NO GLOVE MARKS!!!

[stephen25000]

The only fingerprints were found on the inside of the window not outside and NO GLOVE MARKS!!!

Precisely.

[Brietta]

Kate said the shutters were fully raised. You can't fully raise the shutters from the outside as demonstrated here. Heri and Pegasus are presuming a window was unlocked and they have no evidence. The only evidence on the window was found on the inside pointing to being opened from there. The McCanns should be asked point blank. Why didn't you check that the kids window was locked and secure before putting them in that room for the week?

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

The shutter can be raised using the technique demonstrated by Heri ... quite simple really once someone has looked at the problem logically and worked it out.

[pathfinder73]

How did they open the window from the outside without touching it?

Heri's fingerprints are on it and that's evidence of a crime. Poor Heri 

[stephen25000]

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

The shutter can be raised using the technique demonstrated by Heri ... quite simple really once someone has looked at the problem logically and worked it out.

It doesn't mean anyone entered the apartment.

Now can you explain why a burglar would leave the apartment clean and tidy, and in the event of a disturbed burglary why a burglar or burglars would feel threatened by a three year old ?

[faithlilly]

The shutters did not appear to be an impediment to those burglars operating in Luz who gained entry via windows.

Neither Dianne Webster, Gerald McCann, Peter Mac or the film crew?/journalists had the slightest notion of the technique required to raise the shutter and keep them there.  Neither would we if Heri hadn't worked out how to do it and demonstrated the same.

It is worth remembering that it has been a shibboleth that it was impossible to raise the shutter from outside ... quite patently ... it is not.
Amazing that people can be so entirely wrong in relation to something so fundamental ...

Firstly we have no idea if the shutters were down when the burglars gained entry to the apartments.
Secondly the issue at hand is not whether the shutters could be raised and held open but whether they could be raised without being damaged and it would seem that the twice it was tried relatively close to the disappearance the shutter buckled.

[pathfinder73]

"She wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

Dianne only arrived 5 minutes after the alarm and she said the window was closed.