The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[stephen25000]

Steve so do you think the child left that bedroom carried or on own feet?

I am not saying she wasn't  removed. It is also quite possible she got out herself, after all one of the doors was unlocked.

The case is in limbo, with no evidence to ascertain what happened beyond any shadow of a doubt.

[sadie]

Sadie that is a very good analysis.
The north access to 5A was much darker than the north access to 5B, 5D, and 5H.

Thank you Pegasus

But your response is so much more succinct 


ETA: 
1)  Sometimes I cannot post on this forum.  It will not allow my post and says that my post should have fewer than 80 characters.  Even when I only have say 10 characters, this notice comes up and prevents me posting 

2)  Also with PM-ing, the forum does not always allow it.  We have to use the correct names with an upper case letter to begin the name.  I know that and repeatedly have typed the recipients names in with an upper case letter at the start, for the PM not to go.  But when I analyse it, I find all the recipients names have a new starter ... a lower case letter.  The same letter but in lower case

What is going on?

[stephen25000]

There was certainly no "break-in". The window or shutter were not broken or damaged. The evidence is that the window and shutter were opened from outside without damage.

There is no evidence it was opened from the outside.

You are making a supposition.

Merely because it might have been opened , doesn't mean it had been.

Now Pegasus, can you explain why a burglar left the apartment tidy ?

After all , why would a burglar(s) be afraid of a 3 year old child ?

[stephen25000]

We are talking about children who vanished in unique circumstances one of whom was proved to have been taken by an abductor because her abductor released her and one of whom it is denied was abducted because unfortunately her abductor did not do the same.

Therefore I too am talking about the McCann case and showing that there is a lot of nonsense spoken that it was impossible for burglars to gain entry to premises and steal a child.

I am referring to the thread title. You are taking it off topic in the first paragraph.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE a third party entered  apartment 5A.

[pegasus]

Thank you Pegasus

But your response is so much more succinct 

5B has two accessible windows on the walkway next to the carpark.
5D has at least one accessible window in the stairwell area
5H has at least one accessible window in the first-floor stairwell area
However, as you point out, the preference for someone wishing to open a window illicitly is for the least illuminated.

[pegasus]

(snip) can you explain why a burglar left the apartment tidy ? (snip)

Yes, IMO the burglary was interrupted before the burglar entered.

[sadie]

I am referring to the thread title. You are taking it off topic in the first paragraph.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE a third party entered  apartment 5A.

There is no evidence that Madeleine died in 5A
There is no evidence that Madeleine ran off in panic
There is no evidence that Madeleine has died at all.


There is no evidence that the Mccanns are invoklved in any way.  SY appear to agree with that.

And the way that the Mccanns have behaved indicates their innocence of anything other than having been 50 metres away from apartment 5A with their group able to see any comings or goings across the patio, thanks to the bushes having been just cut back and the light shining across the patio area from adjacent street lamp immediately across the road

Sorry have to go.

[stephen25000]

There is no evidence that Madeleine died in 5A
There is no evidence that Madeleine ran off in panic
There is no evidence that Madeleine has died at all.


There is no evidence that the Mccanns are invoklved in any way.  SY appear to agree with that.

And the way that the Mccanns have behaved indicates their innocence of anything other than having been 50 metres away from apartment 5A with their group able to see any comings or goings across the patio, thanks to the bushes having been just cut back and the light shining across the patio area from adjacent street lamp immediately across the road

Sorry have to go.

Sadie, there is no evidence of anything..


All we for a fact, is Madeleine disappeared.

Anything beyond that is conjecture or belief.

[stephen25000]

Yes, IMO the burglary was interrupted before the burglar entered.

That is an opinion, and no more than that.

[ShiningInLuz]

Did OG ever test Heri's method on the actual shutter and window at 5A?

Other than the digs, there is no evidence that OG has visited Luz or block 5, and no rumour thereof.  This, of course, does not prove the OG has had a crack at 5A, but if they did it has been kept under wraps at both ends.

[pegasus]

(snip) why would a burglar(s) be afraid of a 3 year old child ?

Any burglar, on seeing a 3 year old child moving inside, would instantly assume that there was also an adult inside, who would very probably appear from the other room within a few seconds and potentially overpower or injure the burglar, or at a minimum would phone the police.

[stephen25000]

Any burglar, on seeing a 3 year old child moving inside, would instantly assume that there was also an adult inside, who would very probably appear from the other room within a few seconds and potentially overpower or injure the burglar, or at a minimum would phone the police.

So they would run away in panic.

[pegasus]

Haven't time to check, but I think it is just one for 5B.  Plaese forgive me if I have that wrong, but I think I am right.

The 5B bedroom has two windows.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/carpark5A.jpg.w180h135.jpg

[sadie]

The 5B bedroom has two windows.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/carpark5A.jpg.w180h135.jpg

 

Will  amend my post

Soz.

[G-Unit]

Sadie that is a very good analysis.
The north access to 5A was much darker than the north access to 5B, 5D, and 5H.

It could also be seen as a trap, being at the end. Wasn't it open and light where the alleged burglary of 5L took place?